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I couldn't agree more with this article

Thee jazz fan said:
Ak would get striped of the ball a lot in the paint, and don't deny it, because we all watched it happen for years. Imagine if he had been the focal point of the offense.

Let's look at the different skills on offense.

1. Shooting.
When ever I see Ak shoot an outside shot I cringe winner Boozer

2. Finishing.
See my coments above winner boozer

3. The post. Boozer has great footwork great finisher. Ak's moves and footwork look so awkward that it keeps him from making the play, and often turned the ball over. Winner Boozer.

Passing.
It has often been said that Ak was the second best passer on the team. I'll go with that winner Ak.

I'm sure we could examine more categories, but I think the ones above are the most important, and most essential to having success on offense.

Overall winner by a large margin Boozer. That's why Boozer was the focal point, and Why Ak wasn't.
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A large margin??

I feel embarrassed to possess the same amount of rep as you.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Ak would get striped of the ball a lot in the paint, and don't deny it, because we all watched it happen for years. Imagine if he had been the focal point of the offense.

Let's look at the different skills on offense.

1. Shooting.
When ever I see Ak shoot an outside shot I cringe winner Boozer

2. Finishing.
See my coments above winner boozer

3. The post. Boozer has great footwork great finisher. Ak's moves and footwork look so awkward that it keeps him from making the play, and often turned the ball over. Winner Boozer.

Passing.
It has often been said that Ak was the second best passer on the team. I'll go with that winner Ak.

I'm sure we could examine more categories, but I think the ones above are the most important, and most essential to having success on offense.

Overall winner by a large margin Boozer. That's why Boozer was the focal point, and Why Ak wasn't.
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Care to break down the defensive side? For a minute there I thought you were Sloadfield.
 
zman1527 said:
I think some of you are still missing a very valid point and nice insight the article makes re max contracts and AK. He is saying that the guy you give the max contract MUST be the one you build around. If not, then he is overpaid and you cannot afford the other parts you need, like losing Wesley last summer. The true mistake was that when they realized that AK was NOT going to fit the MAX role, it was time to admit the mistake and trade him. And it was larry's fault is my understanding: he was good with maxing out AK and then he turned down a trade for him.

The Jazz are just a little too complacent and loyal at times for their own good. There are time to be ruthless in this business. Look at the Celtics and Perkins. No way the Jazz would trade a guy like that. And the point is not whether the trade worked out well for the Celts, the point is that they thought it would be good and they had the wisdom and cajones to pull it off. And as I type this, I realize that KOC did that with the DWill trade: wise and gutsy. Overall, I think KOC has been great and some of his "failings" could be attributed to ownership or coaching.
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Finally someone else gets it. Everyone wants to turn it into a debate over whether AK was better than Boozer. That is not the point at all. The point is, if you give someone max money, you make them your key player, if they don't pan out, you trade them to get the money off the books. But failing to do either is destructive, as we see on our team.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Finally someone else gets it. Everyone wants to turn it into a debate over whether AK was better than Boozer. That is not the point at all. The point is, if you give someone max money, you make them your key player, if they don't pan out, you trade them to get the money off the books. But failing to do either is destructive, as we see on our team.
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AK WAS the key player, and you can't just trade 17 mil a year to get his money off the books. You would have traded Kirilenko and Millsap for Banks and Marion? Atlanta won't be able to trade Johnson to get him off the books. Memphis won't be able to trade Gay to get him off the books. Orlando was able to trade a Kirilenko type contract, and took on a worse contract to do so.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
AK WAS the key player, and you can't just trade 17 mil a year to get his money off the books. You would have traded Kirilenko and Millsap for Banks and Marion? Atlanta won't be able to trade Johnson to get him off the books. Memphis won't be able to trade Gay to get him off the books. Orlando was able to trade a Kirilenko type contract, and took on a worse contract to do so.
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Dare I say "gasp" someone else who gets it!
 
Not trading Kirilenko was a huge mistake, though. He should have been shipped off after our '07 playoff run and yes, for Marion. Couldn't imagine 1) how much better we would have been with Marion and 2) how much more flexibility we would have had being out of Andrei's deal much earlier. We should have also moved him for McGrady and/or any of the other rumored deals.

Other notes: arguing about how much better AK's D was better than Boozer's is like talking about how Brewer was a much better three point shooter than Koufos. When Andrei gave up his defensive prowess was as useless as Boozer's. Since occasionally AK would recover from getting burned and block from behind, his D be praised, but others like Korver who generally just stayed with, and in front of, their man got blasted for having poor D, for what reason I have no idea.
 
infection said:
Not trading Kirilenko was a huge mistake, though. He should have been shipped off after our '07 playoff run and yes, for Marion. Couldn't imagine 1) how much better we would have been with Marion and 2) how much more flexibility we would have had being out of Andrei's deal much earlier. We should have also moved him for McGrady and/or any of the other rumored deals.

Other notes: arguing about how much better AK's D was better than Boozer's is like talking about how Brewer was a much better three point shooter than Koufos. When Andrei gave up his defensive prowess was as useless as Boozer's. Since occasionally AK would recover from getting burned and block from behind, his D be praised, but others like Korver who generally just stayed with, and in front of, their man got blasted for having poor D, for what reason I have no idea.
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Rumors were that the Suns wanted something to come with Kirilenko, namely Millsap. Would you still have done that deal?
 
I know they wanted Millsap when they offered Stoudemire for AK, but from what I remember it was just AK in the Marion deal. In any case, it was straight up for McGrady and I have no idea why we didn't do that. McGrady's awful and does not have wining mentality, but neither does AK and McGrady expired last year.
 
It seems to me the Jazz were in a hurry to rebuild after Stockalone. They maxed AK in a heartbeat, then rushed to bring in the only two FAs they could get, two PFs who, as it turned out, weren't that good together.

In other words, the rebuilding plan wasn't much of a plan. Players were slapped together reactively whether they fit the system or not. Brewer was never going to be the ideal SG. Neither was Almond. Koufos wasn't the full-time powerful pivot we wanted. Neither was Fess. The Jazz FO was a bit passive and waited years to see if things would magically "work out." And they didn't. Maybe there weren't good opportunities to build the team better. Drafting late in the 1st round may have been hopeless. So they got stuck as a top 6 - 8 team in the league unable to get past the 2nd round.

The good news now is that the Jazz have a player in Favors that they should be able to build around. He should become the most reliable big man of the last two drafts. The Jazz also have a good number of decent role players who have potential to get better. Now they need an elite guard.
 
infection said:
I know they wanted Millsap when they offered Stoudemire for AK, but from what I remember it was just AK in the Marion deal. In any case, it was straight up for McGrady and I have no idea why we didn't do that. McGrady's awful and does not have wining mentality, but neither does AK and McGrady expired last year.
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Jazz were looking to win last year, and Kirilenko gave the Jazz a better opportunity to do that than McGrady.

And Phoenix's only positive to get out of a Kirilenko/Marion trade was a few million dollars saved the year of the trade. It was a financial burden otherwise, so it's VERY obvious that the Suns would want further compenstaion. It mentions that in this article. https://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0911mariononline0911.html

Phoenix wanted to unload Banks, and a Kirilenko/Millsap for Marion/Banks is what Phoenix would have wanted, but that was an obvious no from O'Connor, so the deal died. Pretty simple.
 
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