Do We Need a PG Going Into the Hayward Negotiations

[Handlogten's Heros]

Locke seems to think we need to have PG solved going into the negotiations with Hayward. I'm not so sure and think Hayward might prefer the chance that we can still bring back Hill.

I don't think I want to give up draft assets to get Rubio and not sure we have what it takes to get Bledsoe or Dragic. Sooooo if we have to have a PG going into FA would you gamble on Brandon Knight. I think he is not big enough to play the 2 full time, which is what Phoenix had him doing, and is point guardy enough to work in our system.

Not sure they'd just give up on him but wonder if they'd do AB for him straight up... less dollars on the contract and their med staff might be able to keep him healthy long enough to contribute or raise his trade value.

If we have Knight we might still be able to retain Hill if he comes in at less than $20M per season... say his market dries up. Knight then moves to a bench role and inevitably starts the 15 or so games Hill misses. If we retained Hill in this scenario we likely move on from Exum and may move Favors at the deadline to lower our luxury tax bill.

Knight is a buy low guy and I find him more intriguing than some of the other options... but would prefer just retaining Hill.

 

[mellow]

Do you think the 24th pick and a broadcaster to be named later would be enough to land Rubio?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Do you think the 24th pick and a broadcaster to be named later would be enough to land Rubio?

Probably close to what they get... I don't think we could dump AB in that deal. I think they may want more... at least their message board people would.

 

[colton]

Locke seems to think we need to have PG solved going into the negotiations with Hayward. I'm not so sure and think Hayward might prefer the chance that we can still bring back Hill.

I don't think I want to give up draft assets to get Rubio and not sure we have what it takes to get Bledsoe or Dragic. Sooooo if we have to have a PG going into FA would you gamble on Brandon Knight. I think he is not big enough to play the 2 full time, which is what Phoenix had him doing, and is point guardy enough to work in our system.

Not sure they'd just give up on him but wonder if they'd do AB for him straight up... less dollars on the contract and their med staff might be able to keep him healthy long enough to contribute or raise his trade value.

If we have Knight we might still be able to retain Hill if he comes in at less than $20M per season... say his market dries up. Knight then moves to a bench role and inevitably starts the 15 or so games Hill misses. If we retained Hill in this scenario we likely move on from Exum and may move Favors at the deadline to lower our luxury tax bill.

Knight is a buy low guy and I find him more intriguing than some of the other options... but would prefer just retaining Hill.

For $13.6 million next year, $14.6 the following, and $15.6 the following? No chance in heck.

If his salary were half that I'd consider him for a backup PG, but I wouldn't ever consider him for our starting PG--and certainly not at that price--which seems to be mainly what you're talking about.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Knight might be a better option as a Plan B... Hill signs a huge deal somewhere else and we need a starter.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

So your option is to get a guy that demonstrably makes whatever team he's on worse?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The Jazz could tell Hayward that they're going to get a veteran PG in free agency -- Hill, Teague, Teodosic, etc.

I know this means our situation is up in the air a little, but Boston's situation is even more up in the air. They may or may not retain IT, they're looking to trade multiple players, etc.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So your option is to get a guy that demonstrably makes whatever team he's on worse?

Except when he was traded in Milwaukee his team was 30-23 and went 11-18 when they traded him. Looks like the team got worse once they traded him to me.

When he was traded as a 21 year old from a garbage team in Detroit to a garbage team in Milwaukee I don't know that Detroit took of. Phoenix tore stuff down when they brought him in so I'm not sure that's on him.... especially since they are using him out of position.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think Hayward is somewhat expecting Hill to come back in free agency, or at least it's a real possibility. I don't think that has to be locked down when they meet with Hayward. They just need a plan of action. Hill is supposedly waiting for Hayward's decision.

 

[mellow]

.. Hill signs a huge deal somewhere else...

I haven't looked, and this is a serious question even though it will sound snarky...which teams will be lining up to sign a 31-year old with career averages of 11 points and 3 assists who has played in 50, 76, 76, 43, 74 and 49 games in the past 6 seasons?

 

[mellow]

Also, if Phoenix is your back-up plan, then why not wait? I feel confident the jazz could do AB and Lyles for Bledsoe or Knight as a last resort.

Or maybe sign Trey Burke to a minimum deal and roll for the lottery again.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Hayward might say "who's that?", that would be an awkward moment at the negotiating table.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Except when he was traded in Milwaukee his team was 30-23 and went 11-18 when they traded him. Looks like the team got worse once they traded him to me.

When he was traded as a 21 year old from a garbage team in Detroit to a garbage team in Milwaukee I don't know that Detroit took of. Phoenix tore stuff down when they brought him in so I'm not sure that's on him.... especially since they are using him out of position.

His absolute best year by far and that trade netted them a similar but even worse player in Carter-Williams.

He's in the same vein as Michael Carter-Williams and Brandon Jennings and that's who he's been traded for. His numbers are pretty even across the board. His usage is the same. His assist numbers fluctuate, but he has had a big number there for Phoenix. His TS% is pretty bad. His 3pt% is pretty average. He's like a really bad George Hill without the defense that shoots more. He'll cost the the Jazz games.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I haven't looked, and this is a serious question even though it will sound snarky...which teams will be lining up to sign a 31-year old with career averages of 11 points and 3 assists who has played in 50, 76, 76, 43, 74 and 49 games in the past 6 seasons?

Once in an actual basketball system a high efficiency point guard with great defense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I haven't looked, and this is a serious question even though it will sound snarky...which teams will be lining up to sign a 31-year old with career averages of 11 points and 3 assists who has played in 50, 76, 76, 43, 74 and 49 games in the past 6 seasons?

Covered before, but most likely would be Philly or Sacramento imo. Neither team has a good use for their cap space and would likely welcome the veteran presence. Maybe Brooklyn too, but not sure they'd be as cavalier with their cap space and they already have Lin.

Philly to me is the biggest threat.

 

[elan_prodigy]

Locke seems to think we need to have PG solved going into the negotiations with Hayward. I'm not so sure and think Hayward might prefer the chance that we can still bring back Hill.

I don't think I want to give up draft assets to get Rubio and not sure we have what it takes to get Bledsoe or Dragic. Sooooo if we have to have a PG going into FA would you gamble on Brandon Knight. I think he is not big enough to play the 2 full time, which is what Phoenix had him doing, and is point guardy enough to work in our system.

Not sure they'd just give up on him but wonder if they'd do AB for him straight up... less dollars on the contract and their med staff might be able to keep him healthy long enough to contribute or raise his trade value.

If we have Knight we might still be able to retain Hill if he comes in at less than $20M per season... say his market dries up. Knight then moves to a bench role and inevitably starts the 15 or so games Hill misses. If we retained Hill in this scenario we likely move on from Exum and may move Favors at the deadline to lower our luxury tax bill.

Knight is a buy low guy and I find him more intriguing than some of the other options... but would prefer just retaining Hill.

It depends. Hayward would know better than most how Dante is performing behind closed doors and if he is happy with his progression we may not need to get a PG to retain him. On the other hand if he has doubts we will definitely need someone (and I have seen numerous times on court where Hayward hasn't trusted Dante although this kind of changed during the playoffs so who knows). Getting George Hill back is still the best option imo, he fits so well in our system and was remarkable when healthy.

Honestly, call me nostalgic but I'd like to see them bring everyone back, well our core guys + AB anyway.

This lineup has always intrigued me and I'm yet to see it with everyone 100%.

Hill/Exum
Hood
Hayward
Favors
Gobert

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

His absolute best year by far and that trade netted them a similar but even worse player in Carter-Williams.

He's in the same vein as Michael Carter-Williams and Brandon Jennings and that's who he's been traded for. His numbers are pretty even across the board. His usage is the same. His assist numbers fluctuate, but he has had a big number there for Phoenix. His TS% is pretty bad. His 3pt% is pretty average. He's like a really bad George Hill without the defense that shoots more. He'll cost the the Jazz games.

It was his best year and he was 22-23... then pushed into a different role and things went sideways. He's like Jennings if Jennings never got hurt and was bigger. MCW isn't a good comp at all.

I think his defense might improve if he was guarding pgs and not 2s, but that is a big concern. He doesn't have a good feel for the game, but as a starting pg when you are 19-23 not sure feel is going to be there yet.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also, if Phoenix is your back-up plan, then why not wait? I feel confident the jazz could do AB and Lyles for Bledsoe or Knight as a last resort.

Or maybe sign Trey Burke to a minimum deal and roll for the lottery again.

AB plus Lyles aint getting Bledsoe and it isn't close.

 

[elan_prodigy]

Covered before, but most likely would be Philly or Sacramento imo. Neither team has a good use for their cap space and would likely welcome the veteran presence. Maybe Brooklyn too, but not sure they'd be as cavalier with their cap space and they already have Lin.

Philly to me is the biggest threat.

Philly makes sense as you said they have cap room and need a veteran presence, but will G.H be happy playing the 2 and guarding the 1? Philly are going to have Simmons bringing the ball up and will play a high tempo game which I really don't think suits GH.

Minnesota is a risk also. I seem them is the same situation as the Jazz where a year ago. Lots of close games but unable to close out and desperate for a veteran presence.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I am so against bringing in some bandaid PG. If Hill doesn't come back and you don't get a legitimate guy to replace him (to me this is Bledsoe,Dragic,or maybe Rubio if his improved shooting isn't a mirage) then there is no reason that you have to make some panic move. If you need to make a splash in FA to impress Hayward you can still get a good player at another position, and take a more reasonable vet PG option for a year or two to bridge the gap. The team had plenty of successful lineups that included Exum, and could be effective with a 20 Million dollar wing or big that fits the scheme Quin likes to run.

All I hear from the media is PG, PG, PG, but from a strictly basketball standpoint I don't think making sure you have a PG is as important as making sure that you add some more talented players before negotiations with Hayward.I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but I would be very comfortable having Exum start and having a veteran backup PG there for insurance IF you bring in a Bledsoe/Dragic level player at a position other than PG. I could see the team being just as good if constructed around different positions than the team this year. Hopefully DL doesn't limit his options artificially.