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US Pulling Out of Paris Climate Accord

ACLU think it is racist injustice

HAHAHHAHAA


making it about race! yeah we have to call it racist!

so fun!
in other news, dow jones hits record high, guess it is some after effect of what obama did last few months of his presidency
 
The truly amazing thing? That we actually have to accept this incompetence, this ignorance of truth, of science, of educated values. We can't say "enough!" And remove him with one week's notice. Pack your bags, you have until June 15th. Instead we actually get to see him announce what amounts to a crime against humanity. A middle finger to the future of the human race. A middle finger to a far too large % of all Life on Earth. Accepting a future that will bring real predictable human suffering and conflict on Earth. In order to promote a return to the 1950's and America first.

America First. Humanity Second. America First. Grandchildren and great grandchildren Second. America First. Life on Earth Second. America First. And breaking a treaty obligation signed by a majority of nations on Earth to make America First. Announcing that the world is on its own. America First. Mankind Second. This monstrous human being does not have the authority to make such a decision. He does not have the authority to commit a crime against humanity.

The nations of Earth stand against him. He has isolated himself as a pariah, renounced America's leadership and made his nation a pariah. 70% of the American people favored remaining committed to the Paris Accord. With this decision, Trump sought a political victory with his base. With this decision, Donald J. Trump sealed the judgement of History. With this decision Donald J. Trump sealed his fate.
 
(CNN)Withdrawing from the Paris climate accord is about the only predictable -- even rational -- move that President Trump has made since taking office.

Following embarrassing reversals on the Mexican wall, the Muslim immigration ban and other signature policies, he sees rejecting accepted orthodoxy on climate change as an easy deliverable to please his populist base.

Too bad it fries the planet. He was elected on this pledge, and he plans to deliver.

Canceling the Paris deal is a classic post-truth policy. Based on the outright denial of overwhelming scientific reality -- and telegraphed in suspense-building gameshow style this week via Twitter and conflicting media teasers -- it is Trump at his most callous, ignorant and attention-seeking.

As a former reality TV star, Trump cares about how things look, not how they really are. Torpedoing climate efforts is the ultimate "up yours" to liberals -- after all, that's the point. The aim is symbolic, but faced with higher carbon emissions and consequent disastrous global warming, our children may not see it that way.

My guess is that far from undermining the determination of other world leaders to cut carbon emissions, Trump's action will have a galvanizing effect on the Paris accords. It will prompt other countries to redouble their efforts, precisely in order not to let Trump be seen to win this vital battle over the future of the planet.

The European Union in particular, led by Germany's Angela Merkel, has no intention of letting Trump get away with this kind of global vandalism. On climate, the EU is united far more than on any other issue. Brexit will make no difference -- all mainstream political parties in the UK back Paris. The move will lead to the isolation of the Trump administration and further corrode international goodwill towards America.

It will also mean the US ceding climate leadership to China, a mantle Beijing is only too eager to assume. The Chinese want both to solve their crippling smog problem and look like a responsible global superpower. Their considered and long-term approach is cast in direct opposition to the self-centered showman now inhabiting the White House.

And the Chinese approach is not merely altruistic. China's leaders have long recognized the economic opportunities in moving aggressively into clean energy technologies. Solar is now cheaper -- as well as cleaner -- than coal in many developing countries.

Trump, who likes to pose as a successful businessman, seems not to understand the value of innovation. Instead he seeks to turn the clock back to an imagined golden age of fossil fuels. If America falls behind in the clean energy revolution, it is not Trump who will pay the price.

For the environmental community, this looks like a rerun of George W. Bush's withdrawal from the earlier Kyoto treaty in 2001. That political gambit lost the world a decade. Trump's may lose far more -- if we let it.

I now expect to see the full fury of the environmental movement -- including just about everyone except for the Breitbart right -- to be turned on the US coal industry, the only powerful economic player to oppose climate action. (Even Big Oil now backs Paris, along with most of the rest of corporate America.)

Expect determined efforts to defund coal mining, huge divestment campaigns against coal company stocks and rallies to close down coal-fired power plants all across America.
The coal industry has now put itself squarely in the cross-hairs of an intense global reaction. Hitting coal is a way to hit back at Trump -- where it hurts.

Trump will thus have achieved precisely the opposite of his intended effect.

Instead of shoring up coal jobs, he will have made a full-scale "war on coal" -- and US coal in particular -- the pre-eminent moral cause of our time, just as the struggle against apartheid was for an earlier generation.

And -- ironically for such a divisive person -- he will have helped bring about an unprecedented degree of global unity, albeit against his own administration. For that, we can perhaps be grateful.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/opinions/trump-has-alienated-the-us-lynas-opinion/

With this one selfish and misguided decision, Donald J. Trump has sealed his fate.
 
Red, beginning in oh the sixties, science has gone to the birds.... as in Big Bird/Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers, and Barney. All those smiley feel-gooders who consider it more important to have consensus than truth.

Used to be, when someone was presenting a new paper in the college department seminars, the nay-sayers were wall-to-wall attacking every crack in the new report. We don't get that anymore, and anyone presenting a favored politically-useful result like "The sky is falling, we must have a world climate consensus and a carbon tax", it doesn't matter how the data was collected, everybody smiles and prostates themselves to show they're in accord.

Despite some real problems with the data collection methods early on, with recording stations placement questionable, our satellite data today is probably good enough to sustain the claim that we have had a climate warming and a carbon dioxide increase approximately commensurate. But we still have not addressed the fundamentals on a substantial number of large issues, such as measuring ocean temps at depth or getting a grasp on ocean outgassing. The dissolved CO2 is an order of magnitude greater than out atmospheric CO2, and as yet we have not correctly corrected for carbonate deposition under warmer subtropical seas. So I think reasonable scientists should dispute the extrapolated claims and predictions for the future, and it is true, as Dutch has pointed out, that the sea level predictions have failed to live up to projections until now. Maybe those estimates have been flawed, and we should review the calculations.

But the bigger issues are natural climate variations we still don't understand. Short-term, as in a hundred years or less, rises in temps have preceded every ice age we have been able to examine, according to published reports. And we are still within statistical norms for our present warm period, in terms of peak temps, if we are somewhat overdue for the big freeze.

But where I say it's obviously "Not Science" is where we have launched phony BS political measures in our "Accord" as somehow addressing the need. The measures are purely political agenda. We should scrap that nonsense.

But hey, you've got Barney, Mr. Rogers, Big Bird and the Science Guy on your team. How could you ever be wrong.
 
Red, you neglected to mention geothermal development. I think that is the really hot alternative energy that is already proven. Wind turbines may not prove economical competitively due to cost and useful life and natural variances in winds. Solar is now economical for homes and ranches, anywhere that transmission losses and infrastructure add up.

I actually don't think coal will survive the challenge of natural gas competition anyway. The immense reserves of natural gas just simply mean we'll leave the coal in the ground for a century....or longer.

Big Oil has taken a strong investment position in renewable energy already. They are glad to sink the upstart little competitors with lower prices for oh maybe forever, and just be the kings of Lithium, geothermal, solar, and LENR.

all this, imo, means the political Accord is meaningless except for it's usefulness in implementing global fascism.
 
T this ignorance of truth, of science, of educated values.

what truth?
what science?


every single climate model so far has failed!

they had to change the name from global cooling to global warming to climate change!
more co2 means more green, more bvegitation, more humid air!


the world was alreayd supposed to have ended according to these climate change models!
if the world wa sin danger of flooding! why is lowlaying beachfront property still at a premium!




even if man made catastrophic climate change was real, the paris accord would not STOP it!
 
OMG i am scared for 2015 to come!

OMG NOO

god save us
cant afford milk 13 dollars a gallon gas prices are ZOMG 9 dollars

lolz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_WHQkPrhjg


ooh wait it's 2017 we SURVIVED! thank god how did we survive!
 
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The leadership in California is so much more enlightened then the current leadership in Washington. And I will say, having listened to Presdent Macron's address to the American people and American scientists, I have far more respect for him then the current occupant of the White House, for whom I have no respect. Reports from within the administration indicate that the put down Macron laid upon Trump when Macron talked about his handshake with Trump, irritated Trump no end. Lol. Good for Macron. It was a beautiful thing to see. In the meantime, California will continue to lead the way here in the United States:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X9_bBhRbuwQ
 
Red, you neglected to mention geothermal development. I think that is the really hot alternative energy that is already proven. Wind turbines may not prove economical competitively due to cost and useful life and natural variances in winds. Solar is now economical for homes and ranches, anywhere that transmission losses and infrastructure add up.

I actually don't think coal will survive the challenge of natural gas competition anyway. The immense reserves of natural gas just simply mean we'll leave the coal in the ground for a century....or longer.

Big Oil has taken a strong investment position in renewable energy already. They are glad to sink the upstart little competitors with lower prices for oh maybe forever, and just be the kings of Lithium, geothermal, solar, and LENR.

all this, imo, means the political Accord is meaningless except for it's usefulness in implementing global fascism.

I agree, geothermal energy does show promise....

Although Rhode Island installed the first offshore wind turbine farm in the United States, and indeed, the waters off New England are considered among the best location for exploiting wind of any ocean location on Earth. The next project will involve an even bigger wind farm off the eastern shores of Long Island. So, the most densely populated corridor in the United States will greatly benefit from the development of wind farms.
 
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