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Hayward is fool's gold

LoPo said:
Every GM takes Klay over Hayward. Hayward is better at creating his own shot, but Klay is a better shooter and his defense is outstanding.

Are they in the same tier, I guess just because Klay is a piece of a better puzzle and Hayward is our best wing, but Klay is just better.

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Hell no.

Klay is an elite role player. Amazing shooter, great defender... but can't create his own shots, can't playmake, can't drive. Hayward can do all of that at an elite level.

It's amazing that we are still having this discussion over whether Hayward is a max player or not. Smdh.

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tyklug2013 said:
Hell no.

Klay is an elite role player. Amazing shooter, great defender... but can't create his own shots, can't playmake, can't drive. Hayward can do all of that at an elite level.

It's amazing that we are still having this discussion over whether Hayward is a max player or not. Smdh.

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He's a max player but he's not a superstar. Big difference.

Hayward and Klay is a good debate. I could see both sides.

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LoPo said:
He's a max player but he's not a superstar. Big difference.

Hayward and Klay is a good debate. I could see both sides.

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How many superstars are there in the league? 6, maybe 7?

Kawhi
Durant
LeBron
Curry
Westbrook
Harden
Davis

So if you don't have anyone on that level, just let them walk, yeah?

Hayward is on the same tier as Butler and George. Klay is a tier-below them. He's not a big playoff scorer like the other three. He can get hot, but he's a catch and shoot guy.

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LoPo said:
Every GM takes Klay over Hayward. Hayward is better at creating his own shot, but Klay is a better shooter and his defense is outstanding.

Are they in the same tier, I guess just because Klay is a piece of a better puzzle and Hayward is our best wing, but Klay is just better.
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Hayward has closed gap on shooting, Klay still better. But Klay has defenses focused on KD, Steph, whereas GH has to create own shot more frequently. Still their efficiencies are similar. Defense is a push. Hayward much better on the boards and creating shots for others.

Despite W's notoriety, sportswriters picked GH over KT in All NBA voting.

I won't debate your 30 GMs comments since I don't talk to them, but I would say it is a dubious and unsupported statement.
 
Et tu Brute said:
The joke is that it is close based on recency bias.

Hayward ranked 29th RPM and Gallo 31st this past season. That matches the eye test.

And no one is talking about Gallo being a superstar.
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And Gallinari has managed to play over 70 games twice in his 9 year career.

Hayward has played at least 70 games 6/7 years of his career.
 
tyklug2013 said:
How many superstars are there in the league? 6, maybe 7?

Kawhi
Durant
LeBron
Curry
Westbrook
Harden
Davis

So if you don't have anyone on that level, just let them walk, yeah?

Hayward is on the same tier as Butler and George. Klay is a tier-below them. He's not a big playoff scorer like the other three. He can get hot, but he's a catch and shoot guy.

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I don't want him to walk. But we will survive if he does.

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silesian said:
Hayward has closed gap on shooting, Klay still better. But Klay has defenses focused on KD, Steph, whereas GH has to create own shot more frequently. Still their efficiencies are similar. Defense is a push. Hayward much better on the boards and creating shots for others.

Despite W's notoriety, sportswriters picked GH over KT in All NBA voting.

I won't debate your 30 GMs comments since I don't talk to them, but I would say it is a dubious and unsupported statement.
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Defense is a push? Ok... Should have just pointed that out, but you said more irrational babble.

Klay's shooting makes life easier on Curry more than Curry makes life easy on Klay. Teams simply cannot leave Klay regardless of his teammates. His shooting is predicted to be one of the tops all time.

If they switched roles, Klay would put up Hayward numbers in ppg and rebounds with better D and probably less assists. Hayward is better at distributing. The floor would open up more because you can sit off of Hayward more than Klay.

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