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The Trump Wars.

Nothing brings on a Right/Left hate fest like the Trump Wars. This is really the focal point of Right/Left discord at the moment, and as such, the front line in the civil war being waged for the mind and purpose of America. Around this one person, all the vitriol each side has mustered against the other is reaching a climax of sorts. The immovable base, which I see a percentage of consisting of something akin to a cult of personality, a component that is to be expected will be found in the sphere of control/influence displayed by any good demagogue, but, in any event, that base overall will see the Left as exactly as Trump describes them, and it will be felt as natural in most cases anyway, given that the two sides are basically responding to life itself in a manner that is completely inexplicable each to the other. It becomes harder to compromise and stop drifting further apart on either side of the Left/Right chasm when it's basically become a case of to each the other is so inexplicable, they may as well be from a different planet. With two sets of partisan media driven narratives supporting the anger and alarm of each side toward and for the other side. That's how extreme the two interpretations are, by Trump's base, on the one hand, and the Left on the other.

And nowhere is that radical divide, the ongoing social/political civil war, more strained then in the defense of, on one hand, and attack upon, on the other hand, the person of Donald J. Trump. (And it's only natural that Rural America favors Trump and Urban America disfavors him, as the divisiveness of the social fabric has always had a rural/urban modality. It's only a generalization, but the split represented by conservative/liberal world views is to a degree mirrored by and part of what makes rural America different from urban America. There must be many reasons we could explore, but, in simplistic terms urban is where social diversity, cultural diversity, and freedom from traditional constraints are likely to be concentrated. They'll be more liberal.)

When Trump tweets, he is speaking to his base. His base sees those tweets as speaking truth to liberals out to destroy the President. To those far removed from the base, the tweets are seen as a strategy to keep the base, but also as evidence of the President's inability to stop self inflicting wounds, since his tweets and public comments have only raised the prospects of political damage to his administration, and ever more likely himself. Smelling blood, the attack from liberal media is non stop. And unable to dwell on anything but his self perception, Trump becomes more obsessed and hence more ensnared. One pundant put it this way: "If this is a witch hunt, it's a witch hunt where the President is saying 'Hello. I'm a witch. Hunt me' "

So, the Trump Wars are both a symptom of the split in the American psyche at this moment in time, and a front line in the social/political civil war playing itself out.

It's only natural for the losers of a battle to feel anger in the aftermath more then the winners. It's also natural for winning candidates to reach out to his defeated fellow citizens with equanimity and strong statements embracing inclusion. Partly perhaps because he did not run on social/political inclusiveness of all elements of American society, partly perhaps because of his self absorbed personality, his long stated dislike of anything he can label "loser", and maybe for reasons only he will ever know, that never really happened. As recently as last week, he was taking about his electoral college victory. There's a level of self absorption and probably insecurity therein that has not proven helpful for the man. And is reflected daily in his tweets, and in his inability to stop blustering himself into corners. I can indeed feel sorry for him, since, to me he seems most like a classic tragic personality.

There is no easy way out of this. Had Trump actually reached out to those who did not vote for him, if he did not demonstrate he was an enemy of science in the 21st century, if he simply had not tweeted and commented himself into a Special Council, there might not be a feeding frenzy from the Left in the Trump Wars to this point.

And the present investigation began during the election and has led to date to a better understanding of how deep the interference by Rusdia actually was. It's difficult not to take this degree of interference by Russia with alarm:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...h-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Calling this a hoax is easy for the cult of personality level Trump supporter. Some simply parrot Trump, or don't have strong minds of their own. And many simply hate liberalism and liberals, the truth of it all simply is not relevant. But to many non Trump supporters, it's irritating to the extreme that another nation state can use psyops like fake news to influence the minds of American citizens, and more direct cyber attacks on election software. The Russians favor what they call active measures to achieve their ends without resorting to traditional warfare. This President does not seem to care a wit about that. We've been here as a nation since 1789. We don't have to accept or treat this level of attack on national sovereignty lightly. I do not know why Trump expresses no curiosity or concern for a cyber attack on our system of election. But his treatment of it as a ruse to come after him has only poured accelerant on the Trump Wars. He continues to wound himself by focusing on the investigation.

As the Trump Wars go, so goes the civil war of which it is both symptom and leading edge.
 
Meddle? The US has been behind coups all over the world, murdered democratically elected leaders, sponsored death squads, created al-Qaeda and had a large hand in removing a reforming Labour government in my country because they threatened American mining interests. And then lecture the world about free and fair elections! **** off! If Americans are stupid enough to vote for a traitor and a pawn of the Russians they deserve him!

rant over...

If one knows the history of CIA intrusion into the politics and internal affairs of other nations during the Cold War era, then one knows some of these things did happen. It's the reason I alluded to the fact, in the Congressional shooting thread, that America's own history in such things, made it difficult to infuse any significant degree of moral outrage into the news that Russia was indeed intruding in our election. But, at the same time, as I see it, I didn't intrude into Chile, or anywhere else, and I'm entitled to be angry that this Russian interference, in is essence, represented an attack on our sovereignty as a nation. I can't adopt the attitude, "oh well, we did bad things too, so I guess what goes around comes around". The Russians are only going to be at it again in 2018 and 2020, and I can be pissed off about that and want to find some way to mitigate it....
 

It's mostly true. But your view is naively one sided. It's more accurately put as "...until it became a dog whistle against the president in office".

You have to be a truly special kind of snowflake to think the right wouldn't be blowing that whistle against Hillary like a Monroe street mistress on a Wednesday night.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPpt7-QOGKc


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also confirms 8 years of trump!


election cannot be rigged! no evidence in recent past.


OBUMMER said it! era of no bummer has arisen\


rigged-election.jpg
 
You have to be a truly special kind of snowflake to think the right wouldn't be blowing that whistle against Hillary like a Monroe street mistress on a Wednesday night.
This

To me it makes sense that the worst presidential candidate of all time would get lots of criticism and be attacked frequently. Especially when he continues to act like an idiot.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPpt7-QOGKc


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also confirms 8 years of trump!


election cannot be rigged! no evidence in recent past.


OBUMMER said it! era of no bummer has arisen\


rigged-election.jpg


Rig and interfere mean two different things. And What Donald was talking about before the election was a completely, internally rigged election system that he claimed was rigged against him. So Trump, as usual, was wrong and Obama was correct in pointing that out.
 
Rig and interfere mean two different things. And What Donald was talking about before the election was a completely, internally rigged election system that he claimed was rigged against him. So Trump, as usual, was wrong and Obama was correct in pointing that out.

just what I was thinking, but you said it much better than I could have
 
just what I was thinking, but you said it much better than I could have

No evidence.... yet.... to show any discussions with Trump or Trump people and any Russian agents/officials regarding things Russia could do to help Trump.

But I rather think both China and Russia are wise to "The Way Things Are", and patiently waiting for their turn at the world helm....

Actually, I'd believe the Russians do try to find some angles to work with both parties, like the CFR does with the R and D. Nobody at the CFR even tries to deny healthy political discussions of common interests with all kinds of Brit citizens, agents, and officials. It's "The Way Things Are" with globalism as the Brit-Am world tries to keep all kinds of things working favorably for the present elites.

Everybody knows that all the major Media outfits are owned and staffed at the highest levels with CFR folks. Of course it's a rigged Media.

But so far we do not have much evidence of actually deflections of the voting significantly enough to quibble about.

What the Trump media hate is all about is a determined "Revolution" against change, against the things he's indicated he's wishing to do. Like fix Obamacare, build a wall, stop the influx of dangerous radical foreigners ideologically committed to blowing up Americans, or running them down in the streets.

It figures like this with the "Liberals". The biggest global issue is overpopulation, and the solution is to disrupt the fastest-breeding "roaches" by bringing them into Western urban centers where they'll just have to cut down the breeding. That's what Planned Parenthood is all about. At the highest levels, it is calculated that the people brought onshore in Western countries will stop breeding, start using birth control and other services resulting in fewer babes.

It also figures to call for expanded powers for government in ways that impinge on our daily lives, which we would never accept without need. So here comes the need.

overpopulation and global warming are the underlying issues behind "The Revolution".
 
[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION], I've been meaning to mention for a few years now that you should tell everyone what your name is for a good laugh (think of [MENTION=51]TroutBum[/MENTION]'s famous thead). Yeah, I figured it out in about two minutes. I told you I wasn't calling you Babe in person.

My name doesn't ring any bells.

I don't capitalize "babe" because it might seem presumptious, like maybe I'm believing I have a mission in life, like "Babe" the pig with farmer Hoggett. Or Jesus, for Christ's sake.

From my earliest memories at age 18 months, I've been called "babe". It was a thing, a hit, when I was in Little League. There are still people who wouldn't call me anything else.
 
i wonder who will the left blame once trump wins his 2nd term.

after all screaming Russians is the new buzzword after previous ones failed(like racist/sexist/bigot).

after some time screaming Russians wont work
 
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