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General NBA Craziness and How it Applies to Utah

slc said:
Why would LeBron want to go to Lakers
No matter what kind of team they surround him with he may not ever get to the finals
If he stays in the the East he will at worst keep getting to the finals and have a chance
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Good point. Still think it depends on Butler deal and Cavs success in 2018 playoffs. Butler, Kyrie and LBJ is a damn good big 3.

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Cappy_Smurf said:
They can offer him an extra year now. I'll guarantee Utah isn't going to tell him tough ****, now we are going to offer you less out of spite because you hurt our feelings. If they have a chance to re-sign him, they aren't going to **** around.

Besides that, people assume his agent is to blame because he/they wanted more money, when it's just as likely he wanted to see what Hayward would do before committing, and to see what other choices he might have to play for a contender.
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That's nice and all but that wasn't the narrative... all the signs pointed to he wanted and thought he'd get closer to the max or somewhere in the 100-125 range. We will now have the leverage. While I won't say we will completely low ball him it is bad business to bid against yourself. Rudy took a little less than the max... we negotiated with Hayward fairly tough the first time around.

End of the day I don't think he gets 4/90... I'm comfortable around 4/80 in the current market and he may have to take less than that. He lost money... agent's jobs are in part to make sure they don't lose money.
 
slc said:
Why would LeBron want to go to Lakers
No matter what kind of team they surround him with he may not ever get to the finals
If he stays in the the East he will at worst keep getting to the finals and have a chance
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If they get PG13 without losing much and then add Lebron I think they can compete with GS. They would also add a couple of vet min players chasing chips who are under paid.

Clarkson/Ball
Paul George/Nick Young
Lebron/Ingram
Randle/Nance
Brook Lopez/Zubac

Thats an okay lineup. Obviously a couple of those players might be gone and a couple more solid vets would be added. They also could package some of those young players for other stars. They could trade Ingram, Randle and Ball for another star or a few really good players. Teams are going to keep dumping and trying to rebuild since it seems a lot of teams are unwilling to make a run right now.

Although I could see Lebron taking MLE next off season with one of the better teams just to beat GS.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That's nice and all but that wasn't the narrative... all the signs pointed to he wanted and thought he'd get closer to the max or somewhere in the 100-125 range. We will now have the leverage. While I won't say we will completely low ball him it is bad business to bid against yourself. Rudy took a little less than the max... we negotiated with Hayward fairly tough the first time around.

End of the day I don't think he gets 4/90... I'm comfortable around 4/80 in the current market and he may have to take less than that. He lost money... agent's jobs are in part to make sure they don't lose money.
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Nope, there was more than one narrative, and Hill said himself his decision depended on what Hayward would do. I mean, if you would rather believe what some reporter claimed over what Hill said himself, that's your prerogative, but that bit of info is in now way more legitimate than what Hill said himself.

Either way, everybody is an expert with hindsight. Same ole Jazzfanz.

Hill probably blames his agent for not knowing he would be injured constantly after they turned down the extension.
 
Ron Mexico said:
If they get PG13 without losing much and then add Lebron I think they can compete with GS. They would also add a couple of vet min players chasing chips who are under paid.

Clarkson/Ball
Paul George/Nick Young
Lebron/Ingram
Randle/Nance
Brook Lopez/Zubac

Thats an okay lineup. Obviously a couple of those players might be gone and a couple more solid vets would be added. They also could package some of those young players for other stars. They could trade Ingram, Randle and Ball for another star or a few really good players. Teams are going to keep dumping and trying to rebuild since it seems a lot of teams are unwilling to make a run right now.

Although I could see Lebron taking MLE next off season with one of the better teams just to beat GS.
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It really depends on how well Ball/Ingram progress this year. If they just arent that good, then that team isnt any better than Lebron's current Cleveland team (plus Lebron is only getting older, he has to slow down at some point).

And I wonder if they will pay Lopez next year.
 
Ron Mexico said:
If they get PG13 without losing much and then add Lebron I think they can compete with GS. They would also add a couple of vet min players chasing chips who are under paid.

Clarkson/Ball
Paul George/Nick Young
Lebron/Ingram
Randle/Nance
Brook Lopez/Zubac

Thats an okay lineup. Obviously a couple of those players might be gone and a couple more solid vets would be added. They also could package some of those young players for other stars. They could trade Ingram, Randle and Ball for another star or a few really good players. Teams are going to keep dumping and trying to rebuild since it seems a lot of teams are unwilling to make a run right now.

Although I could see Lebron taking MLE next off season with one of the better teams just to beat GS.
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They can't get PG for nothing. They lose Ingram or Clarkson or Randle or 2 of them getting PG.

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Other interesting question:

Are the Lakers a playoff team this upcoming year if they get George?

Ball
Young
George
Ingram/Nance
Lopez/Zubac

Their bench is going to take a hit since they will have to trade either Clarkson or Randle and they probably wont be able to sign anyone since they want to keep cap open for Lebron.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Other interesting question:

Are the Lakers a playoff team this upcoming year if they get George?

Ball
Young
George
Ingram/Nance
Lopez/Zubac

Their bench is going to take a hit since they will have to trade either Clarkson or Randle and they probably wont be able to sign anyone since they want to keep cap open for Lebron.
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No, not even close in the West. Portland/Denver/Pelicans/T-Wolves all wipe the floor with that team. Maybe close to the Wolves if growth is still slow.
 
slc said:
Why would LeBron want to go to Lakers
No matter what kind of team they surround him with he may not ever get to the finals
If he stays in the the East he will at worst keep getting to the finals and have a chance
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It is where his wife wants to live. They have a mansion there. He wants to do Hollywood stuff. He is sure he can attract any number of star players to join his next superteam.
 
Awful ****ing trade for the Lakers. The 2nd overall pick, still on his rookie contact, for future cap space? AWFUL!
 
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