General NBA Craziness and How it Applies to Utah

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yep, and some of the same people criticizing our spending were also complaining about trading a pick for a player that could leave in a year. Maybe Utah could have made a big move a year sooner, but you can't force teams to trade their difference makers and you can't force FAs to sign here.

Most of the complaining from HH and Naos last year was about not spending on mid-level talent, when maintaining cap space makes it easier to make a trade if the chance comes along for a difference maker. Just because DL hasn't yet found that opportunity, doesn't mean we should blow all our cap space on the Jeremy Lins and Lou Williams of the league.

Regardless, if it wasn't this issue, fans will always find something to complain about when things don't go their way. All you have to do is bring up OKC and Durant, and people come out of the woodwork to blame management/ownership for Durant leaving a team that had a legit shot at a ring for multiple years.

I had mild complaints that we didn't use our space to the floor this year... my big complaints were the year before and it was about building up the asset base of the franchise and taking a shot. Cap space is an expiring asset... Boston has managed their cap space and used it to acquire pieces and still maintained flexibility... we did drastically more conservative approach.

Two years ago... outside of Kanter I don't think there were any bad contracts signed. That was the year to get something done.

 

[NAOS]

*cough*

Not surprised you confused truth-telling with squabbling.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

There was a legit reason for them not to spend last summer - giving Favors/Hill a R&E. They had to try it IMO. You can fault them for not succeeding but it takes 2 to tango in this situation.

Thanks for bringing this up, as I missed it. There are a **** load of angles to look at when talking about how a team operates, and many legitimate reasons for maintaining a certain amount of cap space.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Whose fault is it then? He had a choice to play for his national team, as Hayward passed up recently. He has a choice how he practices, what he does on the court, how he prepares himself both physically and mentally for games. I would argue that if it isn't 100% his fault it is at least 90%, give him a 5% break for a fluke injury (in a game he did not have to play in, hence the low percentage) and maybe 5% what the team needed at the moment limiting his PT or something, but that's it. He has to own that **** and then do something to fix it. Put up or shut up, as it were. Go big or go home. Whatever cliche you like his overall performance is on him.

Bro... not all his fault... some of it is his fault, but playing for the national team is not a selfish move... has helped many (including Gobert) get high-level reps.

He probably could work harder, but I am not with him 24/7 and his injury is legit... not like he could fix that.

I am not sure he was ever going to be a star and we put that on him, was more lamenting that it did not turn like we thought. I am not sure he has star in him.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm not (temporarily) back so that I can re-engage in JFC squabbles. I will just go ahead and claim that the axes of G's tornness comes down to questions of spending + being in GSW's conference. On the first one, the FO has a lot of responsibility in creating those questions.... and here we are. This is not a claim that is any more speculative or "out there" that what's in your post history.

For the record, last offseason isn't a problem for me. It was the one before that; and the reasons for being upset still stand (and DL himself has admitted fault... even if you won't hear it). I imagine those older reasons will fully re-emerge with increased volume if G decides to leave.

Not surprised you confused truth-telling with squabbling.

There is a way to tell the truth without inciting a squabble, a skill you seem to have never developed.

And you followed up my post with a veiled insult. Not surprising considering your track record. Well carry on in your delusions that it is all THEM and never YOU.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Thanks for bringing this up, as I missed it. There are a **** load of angles to look at when talking about how a team operates, and many legitimate reasons for maintaining a certain amount of cap space.

You have from the summer to the trade deadline to get that done. When it was clear it wasn't getting done we could have done something.

It was the best use of space, but when it is not available you move to plan B.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm not (temporarily) back so that I can re-engage in JFC squabbles. I will just go ahead and claim that the axes of G's tornness comes down to questions of spending + being in GSW's conference. On the first one, the FO has a lot of responsibility in creating those questions.... and here we are. This is not a claim that is any more speculative or "out there" that what's in your post history.

For the record, last offseason isn't a problem for me. It was the one before that; and the reasons for being upset still stand (and DL himself has admitted fault... even if you won't hear it). I imagine those older reasons will fully re-emerge with increased volume if G decides to leave.

Bro... not all his fault... some of it is his fault, but playing for the national team is not a selfish move... has helped many (including Gobert) get high-level reps.

He probably could work harder, but I am not with him 24/7 and his injury is legit... not like he could fix that.

I am not sure he was ever going to be a star and we put that on him, was more lamenting that it did not turn like we thought. I am not sure he has star in him.

I never said anything about selfishness, just that he had a choice.

I agree with the bold 100%.

 

[NAOS]

I had mild complaints that we didn't use our space to the floor this year... my big complaints were the year before and it was about building up the asset base of the franchise and taking a shot. Cap space is an expiring asset... Boston has managed their cap space and used it to acquire pieces and still maintained flexibility... we did drastically more conservative approach.

Two years ago... outside of Kanter I don't think there were any bad contracts signed. That was the year to get something done.

For the record, two off-seasons ago HH had probably the best off-season in JFC history. He completely nailed the problems and laid out very realistic acquisitions. These players would have signed for the right money and would have likely been assets who got us into the playoffs a year earlier and remained very moveable. I was with him on identifying the problems/opportunities, but he was far beyond me in terms of tangible gets to solve those problems.

Cappy is a great poster; but remains too much of an apologist.

 

[NAOS]

There is a way to tell the truth without inciting a squabble, a skill you seem to have never developed.

And you followed up my post with a veiled insult. Not surprising considering your track record. Well carry on in your delusions that it is all THEM and never YOU.

I'm happy to be leaving again in a few days.... Don't worry.

 

[NAOS]

You have from the summer to the trade deadline to get that done. When it was clear it wasn't getting done we could have done something.

It was the best use of space, but when it is not available you move to plan B.

Obvi ^this^ dudes.

 

[LoPo]

Why? Because you obviously lack 2 things:

1. Important knowledge about the workings of the NBA
2. Self-awareness of what you don't know

...and yet you're busy as hell over here spinning out trash.

Learn more. Write less.

#1 - lol
#2 - like I give a rats **** what a loser like you thinks about me? You go away for a while and come back spitting insults at people. Your sad, pitiful existence must really suck.

Bonus point - it's a fan board for fan ideas and feedback. If you don't like an idea, just say it. Insulting the person posting the idea just shows your lack of class and inability to be part of a team of fans wanting what's best for our beloved franchise. If you're not part of the solution, don't add to the problems. I guarandamntee you GM's start lowball and meet in the middle.

I hope your day gets better NAOS.

 

[enchilada_style]

I'm entertained...