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General NBA Craziness and How it Applies to Utah

Bawse Dawg said:
Just take the L bro. Russell sure as hell is not Porzingis, and losing the Noah contract is not worth giving him up (I actually had to type out that sentence?).
Knicks want a top 5 pick and a talented young player. They don't want overpaid underperforming Favors and old man Diaw just so they can lose the Noah contract and give up one of the top assets in the NBA.

You're completely nuts if you think anything different.
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You need to read the whole trade

NY gets Bledsoe and #4 and get to dump Noah ($18 million per year)

Phoenix gets Favors, #24 and gets to dump Bledsoe and Dudley ($25 million per year)

We get KP but have to take Noah and Dudley

Its far fetched for sure, but there is logic behind it.

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LoPo said:
You need to read the whole trade

NY gets Bledsoe and #4 and get to dump Noah ($18 million per year)

Phoenix gets Favors, #24 and gets to dump Bledsoe and Dudley ($25 million per year)

We get KP but have to take Noah and Dudley

Its far fetched for sure, but there is logic behind it.

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Is LoPo short for LowPotential?
 
stitches said:
The more I think about trades, the more I realize... panicking and making moves just to make moves does nothing to make this team better, I've thrown around a ton of bad trades that I think might help us be slightly more competitive for the next year or two, but will kill us down the line... Activity is not always good. I don't want us to make moves that make no sense and strap us going forward. If Hayward cannot appreciate what this FO and team has done to make him successful and competitive... too bad. I'd rather we continue making sound decisions than doom the franchise's future in an attempt to impress Hayward. He either trusts the process and decisionmaking of DL and Quin or he doesn't. I kind of think that there's little we can do in the next one week that will seriously change his perspective on what has transpired in the last 7 years.
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I hear you, but we were beneath the salary floor last year. Gordon must have questions about our willingness to spend. A little splash now (as long as it's reasonable) might be a good idea. Make a move that shows we are further increasing our arms, and that past frugalness was about waiting for THIS window.
 
NAOS said:
I hear you, but we were beneath the salary floor last year. Gordon must have questions about our willingness to spend. A little splash now (as long as it's reasonable) might be a good idea. Make a move that shows we are further increasing our arms, and that past frugalness was about waiting for THIS window.
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We also had the best offseason last year after GS and not only got to the playoffs but won a series in our first time back. We won 51 games with one of the most injured teams in the league, and had just Hill and Favors stayed healthy, we are probably a 55-60 win team. Now, if someone puts together a 55-60 win team and that is seen as incompetent/not doing enough, I just don't get that perspective.

Also, the salary floor is 90% of the cap, so being under the floor isn't as extreme as people make it sound. Not only that, but the Nets just used cap space to acquire a recent #2 pick simply by taking a bad contract that the Lakers signed JUST LAST YEAR. Cap space seems to be back to being valuable again, and as for me, I'd rather be a fan of a team that called that right than to be a Laker/Blazer fan who's FO misjudged the rising cap and threw money around to the point they now have to dump assets to fix their mistakes.

Some people questioned trading the #12 pick for a player that could leave in a year, but now some fans are saying DL didn't do enough to keep Hayward. Can't win. Absolutely nothing wrong with what DL did this last year and I hope he continues to spend wisely.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
We also had the best offseason last year after GS and not only got to the playoffs but won a series in our first time back. We won 51 games with one of the most injured teams in the league, and had just Hill and Favors stayed healthy, we are probably a 55-60 win team. Now, if someone puts together a 55-60 win team and that is seen as incompetent/not doing enough, I just don't get that perspective.

Also, the salary floor is 90% of the cap, so being under the floor isn't as extreme as people make it sound. Not only that, but the Nets just used cap space to acquire a recent #2 pick simply by taking a bad contract that the Lakers signed JUST LAST YEAR. Cap space seems to be back to being valuable again, and as for me, I'd rather be a fan of a team that called that right than to be a Laker/Blazer fan who's FO misjudged the rising cap and threw money around to the point they now have to dump assets to fix their mistakes.

Some people questioned trading the #12 pick for a player that could leave in a year, but now some fans are saying DL didn't do enough to keep Hayward. Can't win. Absolutely nothing wrong with what DL did this last year and I hope he continues to spend wisely.
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Capps like fly to fly paper.

Winning means opening the wallet eventually. Nobody of sound mind argues that. Gordon must have questions about whether that will happen here; not the other stuff you continually reinforce. Is this a good basketball program? Yes. Is it one that will $$pry$$ open the window when it's time? Nobody has any evidence to say Yes with confidence I'm not surprised G is torn.
 
LoPo said:
You need to read the whole trade

NY gets Bledsoe and #4 and get to dump Noah ($18 million per year)

Phoenix gets Favors, #24 and gets to dump Bledsoe and Dudley ($25 million per year)

We get KP but have to take Noah and Dudley

Its far fetched for sure, but there is logic behind it.

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If we replace Diaw for Exum to PHX in this deal it becomes more plausible.
 
Zulu said:
If we replace Diaw for Exum to PHX in this deal it becomes more plausible.
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You are probably right. I extended the idea to send Lyles to NY because they were really high on him 2 years ago.

Maybe we could add Hood or Exum, but we are taking on loads of salary with Noah and Dudley. Pretty risky trade for us. If Hayward doesnt stay for the KP/ Gobert experience, we would be limited in our ability to add to them.

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NAOS said:
Capps like fly to fly paper.

Winning means opening the wallet eventually. Nobody of sound mind argues that. Gordon must have questions about whether that will happen here; not the other stuff you continually reinforce. Is this a good basketball program? Yes. Is it one that will $$pry$$ open the window when it's time? Nobody has any evidence to say Yes with confidence I'm not surprised G is torn.
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Right, we should have opened our wallets. Like the Lakers and Blazers.
Sound minds understand that maintaining cap space has a purpose. It does you no good to spend just to be spending. That's how you get to the point of wasting a #2 pick to dump Timothy Mozgov a year after signing him. You have to wait on the right opportunity, regardless of how much time that takes. I'm sure blazer players are all very impressed with their FO's willingness to spend.

I won't pretend to know what Gordon thinks about Utah's spending, but I do know Kevin Durant was up 3-1 on a 73 win warrior team, well on his way to playing for a ring, and he choked it away and then left a championship caliber roster, only to hear cries from the fans about what a terrible job that FO did in putting together that roster. Sometimes you're screwed no matter what you do, but you simply can't spend stupid just to appease a player with a poor understanding of how teams operate within a salary cap.

Just for kicks, exactly which move last year gets us any farther in the playoffs than we got? Fans were throwing a fit we didn't go after Lou Will. Ended up not making the least little bit of difference, yet we're still hearing the complaints.
 
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