Outside of a monumental, earth shattering, massive move where we could acquire a Paul George or a Jimmy Butler or someone who is game changing like that I don't think any one move or combination of moves that we make will be the deciding factor in his decision. I don't think Hill staying or walking will be a deciding factor in his decision. I don't think at Pat Bev trade will be a deciding factor in his decision. I don't think telling him that Exum is the starting PG next year will have him wanting to leave. He either believes in the front office and the overall vision they have for the future, or he doesn't.
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Outside of a monumental, earth shattering, massive move where we could acquire a Paul George or a Jimmy Butler or someone who is game changing like that I don't think any one move or combination of moves that we make will be the deciding factor in his decision. I don't think Hill staying or walking will be a deciding factor in his decision. I don't think at Pat Bev trade will be a deciding factor in his decision. I don't think telling him that Exum is the starting PG next year will have him wanting to leave. He either believes in the front office and the overall vision they have for the future, or he doesn't.
I think bringing in another all-star like Millsap or Love sways him.
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And yea, telling him Exum is the starter makes him leave.
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In this scenario(with draft picks filling up the roster, not FAs), if we give him 30M we are 5M into the luxury tax. He will need to be OK with about 25M per year in order for us to avoid the tax.
I think the Jazz would dip into the tax to get that team. I would hate to go over 81/3
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I agree and I also am still quite certain that Hayward ain't going anywhere.
The more I think about trades, the more I realize... panicking and making moves just to make moves does nothing to make this team better, I've thrown around a ton of bad trades that I think might help us be slightly more competitive for the next year or two, but will kill us down the line... Activity is not always good. I don't want us to make moves that make no sense and strap us going forward. If Hayward cannot appreciate what this FO and team has done to make him successful and competitive... too bad. I'd rather we continue making sound decisions than doom the franchise's future in an attempt to impress Hayward. He either trusts the process and decisionmaking of DL and Quin or he doesn't. I kind of think that there's little we can do in the next one week that will seriously change his perspective on what has transpired in the last 7 years.
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I think some of the proposed trades are about more than just keeping Hayward. I really liked last year's team. But look at our situation:
Hayward - free agent
Hill - free agent
Ingles - free agent
Favors - expiring
Hood - new deal decision this year
Exum - new deal decision this year
JoeJ - expiring
Diaw - non-guaranteed/expiring
I think all our trade chatter is because the uncertainty. If we stand pat assuming Hayward stays for the big max, we lose Ingles or Hill. That is all but guaranteed with this new $99 cap. Probably lose Diaw too.
Next summer, we are all but guaranteed to lose three of Hood, Exum, Favors, JoeJ and Diaw (if he isn't waived summer 2017). We very likely cannot afford 3 of 5 with Hayward staying, Gobert's deal, and Hill or Ingles.
So by not trading, we lose 4 important players and only add 4 low draft picks to replace them. I've thrown some trades all over the map out there. Some ridiculous and some intriguing, but moves are essential in my opinion.
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Hayward - free agent
Hill - free agent
Ingles - free agent
Favors - expiring
Hood - new deal decision this year
Exum - new deal decision this year
JoeJ - expiring
Diaw - non-guaranteed/expiring
I think all our trade chatter is because the uncertainty. If we stand pat assuming Hayward stays for the big max, we lose Ingles or Hill. That is all but guaranteed with this new $99 cap. Probably lose Diaw too.
Next summer, we are all but guaranteed to lose three of Hood, Exum, Favors, JoeJ and Diaw (if he isn't waived summer 2017). We very likely cannot afford 3 of 5 with Hayward staying, Gobert's deal, and Hill or Ingles.
So by not trading, we lose 4 important players and only add 4 low draft picks to replace them. I've thrown some trades all over the map out there. Some ridiculous and some intriguing, but moves are essential in my opinion.
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I guess you don't get the concept of taking a salary dump as giving cap space as a asset. I bet there is one of you in the Nets forum who bashed another poster who suggested sending Lopez's expiring and a low 1st to get D'Angelo Russell and Mozgov's nasty contract.
Assets come in many forms.
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Just take the L bro. Russell sure as hell is not Porzingis, and losing the Noah contract is not worth giving him up (I actually had to type out that sentence?).
Knicks want a top 5 pick and a talented young player. They don't want overpaid underperforming Favors and old man Diaw just so they can lose the Noah contract and give up one of the top assets in the NBA.
You're completely nuts if you think anything different.