Do you feel the front office is to blame?

[Game6Conley]

I say yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtCQHCOls2E

Here's why;

Blaming (Scapegoating) Hayward is all well and good, what about the people paid to obviate issues such as these? Where was the clairvoyance thats worthy of big-bucks and fancy titles?

They aren't the victims of some elaborate deception, they're just plain old ****ing patsys.. If urine management and poop goes haywire on your watch, you're accountable. No??? "I didn't see it coming" is not an acceptable excuse...

Don't tell me the whole lot of them are absolved.. They put their eggs in the wrong basket, and have totally thrown off the teams trajectory in the process. It was by choice, their hands were NOT forced. They opted for this volatility instead of angling for steady progress thru player development. You can argue they still have young players to develop, the point is WHY DON'T THEY HAVE MORE?!

They traded long-term assets for short term fixes that didn't get the job done, and got left with the bill..

Like I've been saying for years; they overplayed their hand. C'mon now.. They obviously did. This is not all on Hayward, you didn't have to be Miss Cleo to see this coming, the first time he was a free agent he signed elsewhere too.

They balked at countless opportunities to return great assets (PLAY IT SAFE) for Hayward(Suns reportedly offered the 4th and 13th pick in last years draft) in turn for a chance to (GAMBLE) re-sign him, and they failed, Thats the story here.


I told you all, I'd have done a better job, what the front office has done here is very, very very far from impressive (How many assets have been spent on PG's since the Trey Burke fiasco??!?!?!?... the team would be loaded with young talent, instead it's got these vets brought in to appease a player thats not even here(this is like LeBron telling Miami to draft Shabazz Napier all over again) and some pretty good semi-young players that deserve better.


Lets also not forget just how absurd it was to be in 'win-now' mode with the Warriors in the west in the first place................................ What were they thinking? what were they smoking? what kool-aid were they drinking? I feel like if Scrappy Doo was the GM, these are the kind of moves he'd make. All for what too?!? to get demolished by the Warriors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG8dgN6x2EA

If I was the owners I'd fire everyone. How do you look back on these last 2 summers and not just think about how wasteful this all was? For what too? Hayward didn't break any rules, he did what he wanted to do, which he's got the right to. Why the front office didn't ensure a return on the investment is a whole different story.

 

[Revolution 9]

We have one of the best front offices in the league.

 

[cctrackstar]

Another viewpoint: If they had traded Gordon like they did Deron, even knowing that he was leaning toward Boston, than they would always be the team that can be bullied into making a move based on fears. They wanted to show that they would do absolutely everything they could without crippling the franchise to get him to stay. It's a show of dedication that fans almost have to acknowledge. While they may have made mistakes listed above, we all make mistakes, but when it came to trying to keep Gordon, they did everything within this free agent period to keep him. I hate it when a team is forced to trade for bad contracts a year early just to get 'something' for a player. The Jazz do get something, a whole 30 million in extra money to re-up their current players that actually want to be here, and even some possible free agent money if they pull some strings. The ship isn't sinking, it's just getting a new first mate, and who knows, maybe the new guy will be better in the long run.

 

[stitches]

They are not to blame for anything they did before this off-season. They are to blame for getting played by Hayward and his agent. Giving bad contract to Ingles and trading for untradeable Rubio(Minny has been trying to get rid off him for 2 years and we gave them a first and capspace to do it). Now we are stuck in mediocrity. This I can blame the FO for.

 

[SCS]

Personally I called for them to trade Hayward last summer for either the #3 (Boston) or #4 (Phoenix) pick. I wanted Buddy Hield. I knew he was going to be a good scorer in the league and having him to develop on a cheap 4 year rookie deal with the rest of the young guys would have been nice. I felt like the team at that time lacked a true superstar and I felt that going over the cap to pay Hayward without one was poor team building. I didn't want to get stuck in a situation similar to the one that Charlotte is in right now for instance. Where they have one good player and everyone else is overpaid and average. However, little did I know how damn good Rudy Gobert would be. I knew he would be good last summer but I didn't think he would be THAT good. Dude is the superstar I thought we were lacking. I think that's why they held on to Hayward last summer. Calculated gamble that didn't pay off. Had he stayed we'd be looking great right now.

To answer your question, no. I don't blame the front office on this one. They did everything possible to make it work. It just didn't. And I disagree that they had all their eggs in one basket. We have a bunch of young players to develop. And almost everyone on the roster is on a short term contract. We should have cap space to work with next summer. We have ways to recover from this.

 

[Game6Conley]

We have one of the best front offices in the league.

I'm not buying it, the charade is over. There's a trail of inefficiency and waste they've left behind for all to see which says otherwise.

Rudy's better at playing C, and Quinn Snyder is better at coaching, than the front office is at doing their job, they're clearly one of the weak links in the chain.

 

[SCS]

I'm not buying it, the charade is over. There's a trail of inefficiency and waste they've left behind for all to see which says otherwise.

Rudy's better at playing C, and Quinn Snyder is better at coaching, than the front office is at doing their job, they're clearly one of the weak links in the chain.

What exactly has the front office done wrong over the last handful of years specifically? After DL took over.

 

[Game6Conley]

Another viewpoint: If they had traded Gordon like they did Deron, even knowing that he was leaning toward Boston, than they would always be the team that can be bullied into making a move based on fears. They wanted to show that they would do absolutely everything they could without crippling the franchise to get him to stay. It's a show of dedication that fans almost have to acknowledge. While they may have made mistakes listed above, we all make mistakes, but when it came to trying to keep Gordon, they did everything within this free agent period to keep him. I hate it when a team is forced to trade for bad contracts a year early just to get 'something' for a player. The Jazz do get something, a whole 30 million in extra money to re-up their current players that actually want to be here, and even some possible free agent money if they pull some strings. The ship isn't sinking, it's just getting a new first mate, and who knows, maybe the new guy will be better in the long run.

This is so ****ing absurd, I'm glad you posted it. Thanks for the response.

 

[Game6Conley]

What exactly has the front office done wrong over the last handful of years?

Where shall I begin? I've been detailing it step-by-step since I got to this forum.

For starters they should've signed Harrison Barnes instead of trading for Boris Diaw and signing Joe Johnson last summer....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeocG2Sambw


I was chastised and insulted over and over for saying this... That he was worth the max and they had the space to give it to him, AND THAT HE'D BE INSURANCE FOR IF HAYWARD LEFT...but it was met with pages and new threads completely filled with bitter hateful responses.

2ndly they should've drafted the obviously superior Dennis Schroder over Trey Burke, that error has compounded itself so many times over, now they owe the 2018 pick if they make the playoffs for another PG.. It's insane.. HOW MANY ASSETS HAVE BEEN SPENT ON PG's, look no further than that for the obscene inefficiency of the front office, this issue has been festering for years...

3rdly trading a lottery pick for a one year rental for George Hill was reckless, risky and short sighted. He wasn't even available to play vs the warriors in the playoffs, what a cherry on top.

4th; If you're not getting better in the NBA, you're getting worse, and the Jazz have become much worse this offseason. No? Perennial loser teams like the Kings and 76ers have made immeasurably more progress than Utah this summer, and they're much younger.

 

[Aneurism]

I blame the fans that booed him when he was drafted. But seriously, does there really need to be blame ? The front office did what they could, .. However, I'd be more concerned if they did not have a backup plan in place. That wouldn't sound like DL.. I'm going to stay positive and assume that he pulls some magic out of a hat to keep us competitive.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I don't blame the front office. If the eastern conference wasn't so much weaker than the west, and if Brad Stevens wasn't his soul mate, Hayward would have stayed.

 

[cctrackstar]

This is so ****ing absurd, I'm glad you posted it. Thanks for the response.

I'm becoming aware that i have a different view from many other people on this board. Fine. I like my views, and will continue to baffle the minds of those that don't get me. I am much more interested in the development of the rough jems that just need polishing than I am trading for a superstar. It's much more personable to me. It isn't what some other fans like. Meh. I like sardines and vinegar drinks too. Hate me if you want, fine.

(looks for umbrella to block some of the backlash)

Edit: and salt+vinegar chips, and green olives, and squid. I had calamari once at the la'cai, it wasn't half bad. and mutton/lamb. love that stuff. oh, and liver and chicken hearts too. and tripe, when done right.