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Legit question I don't know the answer to. Do the results in this offseason (so far)change any of the narratives the Jazz told their fans?

1-Word is out on Quin Snyder and players want to play for him.
2-Players want to play with a defensive player like Rudy Gobert.
3-Agents want their players to play for the Jazz because of the development staff.
4-Mature players like the stability of the organization.
 
Give Rudy Gobert every opportunity to become like Shaq.
Give Dante Exum every opportunity to become like Penny Hardaway.
Drop down to 37 wins for a season.
Draft a young stud like Hamidou Diallo, or see if the NBA has enough sympathy for us to give us a top lottery pick.
 
mellow said:
Legit question I don't know the answer to. Do the results in this offseason (so far)change any of the narratives the Jazz told their fans?

1-Word is out on Quin Snyder and players want to play for him.
2-Players want to play with a defensive player like Rudy Gobert.
3-Agents want their players to play for the Jazz because of the development staff.
4-Mature players like the stability of the organization.
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All of the above took a hit when their best player just up and walked away.
 
mellow said:
Legit question I don't know the answer to. Do the results in this offseason (so far)change any of the narratives the Jazz told their fans?

1-Word is out on Quin Snyder and players want to play for him.
2-Players want to play with a defensive player like Rudy Gobert.
3-Agents want their players to play for the Jazz because of the development staff.
4-Mature players like the stability of the organization.
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No. I don't think that it has tbh. If Brad Stevens was coaching in college, I think that Hayward probably stays. It seems like everyone in Utah talked about Hayward going to Boston to play for Stevens. . . but nobody was actually prepared for him to do it. I'm surprised by how unprepared people are to deal with this. If anything, I think all of the negativity and vitriol coming from fans hurts the reputation of the franchise. Oh well. Things will settle down and people will move on with their lives. Rudy and Donovan will attract someone to join them at some point.
 
Hayward was an iron man for us last year (Gobert more so). This is going put the team in a hole. The reality is that we can't sign anyone to fill the void Hayward left. There are only two options - internally and a trade. A trade is not guaranteed, so I would be beating the internal development and we all contribute drum really hard.

And I would look at all lineup possibilities. Perhaps unorthodox ones. Dante as a three? Yes - why not? He would need to get stronger physically and mentally, but has speed to be a good one. Hood as Gordon's replacement - yes, he could do it in streaks, just get stronger and more consistent - man up fast! Ingles as primary scorer - needs to work increasing speed - I would recommend Kaatsu training used by martial artists to increase type 1 muscle fiber speed. Joe Johnson? If he can handle the minutes he would be the perfect solution, but he is too valuable in the playoffs to wear him down. Bolomboy, increase your wing skills, reaction time, and dribbling and I can see a player who can overpower other threes down low, and can shoot the three. But not sure if he can switch from being a banger to a multiskilled player who can do it all on demand in a blink of an eye - it is too easy to read him before he does something, he is thinking everything through and it seems to slow him down. If he could, then heck yes!
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
You think Ainge did out of spite for the Jazz, to rub it in further? Crowder was the obvious choice to trade because Hay was taking his place not Bradley's.
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Unless they think they can smooth the rift between the team and Crowder. That's what I would do. Avery and Smart are both much more expendable than Crowder is on that contract. Think it's funny that Morris is the best value he could get back. Morris blows. Celtics fans should be pissed.
 
Ellis269 said:
Unless they think they can smooth the rift between the team and Crowder. That's what I would do. Avery and Smart are both much more expendable than Crowder is on that contract. Think it's funny that Morris is the best value he could get back. Morris blows. Celtics fans should be pissed.
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I think people are blowing the "rift" out of proportion.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
You think Ainge did out of spite for the Jazz, to rub it in further? Crowder was the obvious choice to trade because Hay was taking his place not Bradley's.
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Ainge isn't dumb. He knows that Bradley is going to be able to sign a big deal next year, and he won't have the opportunity to match it. Crowder is on a Cheap contract for 3 years. He is playing the long game, not just for this year. Crowder is a much better piece to keep because of his contract. He also got a stretch 4 on a 2 year deal for another Cheap contract.

I don't think this trade makes them any better, but it makes sense. They don't need a protected first, which is the most the Jazz should have given up for Crowder.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
You think Ainge did out of spite for the Jazz, to rub it in further? Crowder was the obvious choice to trade because Hay was taking his place not Bradley's.
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Not sure. I honestly believe that Avery Bradley is one of the most underrated players in the league. And Boston fans love him.

At the end of the day, Ainge kept the bigger long term asset. Bradley is expiring Crowder has 3 more years. I swear Ainge thinks more about asset management than actual fit, need, intangibles. He drafted a 3 when everybody knew they were prioritizing a 3 in free agency.

Then they traded a SG/PG for another SF/PF to compete with Crowder who he should have traded.

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LoPo said:
Not sure. I honestly believe that Avery Bradley is one of the most underrated players in the league. And Boston fans love him.

At the end of the day, Ainge kept the bigger long term asset. Bradley is expiring Crowder has 3 more years. I swear Ainge thinks more about asset management than actual fit, need, intangibles. He drafted a 3 when everybody knew they were prioritizing a 3 in free agency.

Then they traded a SG/PG for another SF/PF to compete with Crowder who he should have traded.

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You need depth. Hayward needs a backup. Nothing says Tatum and Hayward can't play together. Crowder can play a small 4.

The only other option for Boston was to draft a big. Had they stayed put and drafted Fultz, that would have created problems with IT. The easy explanation for Tatum is that they didn't know if they'd get Hayward or not.

I now HATE Boston. But Ainge is drafting BPA. He has a stable of young talent. Of course, when it comes time to pay everyone, he won't be able to. Other teams are going to raid his closet for all his RFA's.
 
Jack Strop said:
You need depth. Hayward needs a backup. Nothing says Tatum and Hayward can't play together. Crowder can play a small 4.

The only other option for Boston was to draft a big. Had they stayed put and drafted Fultz, that would have created problems with IT. The easy explanation for Tatum is that they didn't know if they'd get Hayward or not.

I now HATE Boston. But Ainge is drafting BPA. He has a stable of young talent. Of course, when it comes time to pay everyone, he won't be able to. Other teams are going to raid his closet for all his RFA's.
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Tatum will be much better player than Ainge and Colangelo foresaw


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lol, Rubio, Ingles and Gobert will start. That's an elite defense. Hood probably plays the SG but we terribly need a good offensive stretch four ala Kevin Love.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
You think Ainge did out of spite for the Jazz, to rub it in further? Crowder was the obvious choice to trade because Hay was taking his place not Bradley's.
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Good thinking. That is exactly what mature, highly paid intelligent executives do all the time, engage in petty little personal schemes.

Chill out. He did it because he thought it was a good deal for his franchise.
 
If they work **** right, can the Celts take on another max contract next summer? I'd love to see them get Westbrook and watch Benedict try to co-exist with that crazy ****.
 
zman1527 said:
Good thinking. That is exactly what mature, highly paid intelligent executives do all the time, engage in petty little personal schemes.

Chill out. He did it because he thought it was a good deal for his franchise.
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You think all highly paid executives are always mature and lack the ability to be pettty?
Lololololololololol.
 
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