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Gordon Hayward was not a winner. He always shied away from driving in when his shot was not there.

Hayward kept the Jazz away from their actual potential.

We will realize this with the new moves and the change on game style shortly, starting with Donovan Mitchell's arrival.

There I said it.


GH20
 
I've been saying for years he's not a leader, this wasn't his team, and he's too soft.

If we can find another shooter this year we'll be fine. I expect this team to show greater chemistry this year.
 
I remember the game 2 years ago against the clippers scrubs. Utah get eliminated from the playoffs by their B squad because every single one of our players, including Haywood, choked under the pressure of playing in an important game. Fast forward to the next year when Utah has Joe Johnson to take over in those situations, and we get our first playoff win, against those same clippers, on their floor.

Haywood was a good player who could help you win, but yeah, not somebody you want to have to count on in pressure situations, and certainly not an alpha as we tried to make him be. Utah will miss him, but not like some people think.
 
We certainly needed him for the Jazz be a winner.

We spoke it into existence that he was a good leader.

We all followed him with our haircuts and scruffy beards.

We all cheered his name when Quin subbed him out in game 4 vs GSW.

We all spent even more of our money to throw up #STAYWOOD billboards around town.

And then when he showed who he was and left us for greener jerseys out east we realized why we booed him on draft night.

I am still in the sour grapes portion of processing this. However, to think about all the times it seems like he shrunk from what was required of him, it's obvious to me that we ascribed many many traits to him that we wanted him to have that he may not have had.

But 20 ppg, 5 rebs, 4 ast or whatever his stats were. That was nice to have in the back pocket.

Long live the Stifle Tower
Long live Spida
Long live Ingles (oh god please still be good)
Long live Favors knees
Long live Q
Long live Lindsey
 
addictionary said:
Gordon Hayward was not a winner. He always shied away from driving in when his shot was not there.

Hayward kept the Jazz away from their actual potential.

We will realize this with the new moves and the change on game style shortly, starting with Donovan Mitchell's arrival.

There I said it.


GH20
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Well, they DID bring Joe Johnson in to kind of be a good solid role player off the bench and to be a TEAM LEADER in the locker room. Would they have needed to do that with like most other players that made the all star team, let alone ANY of the players that made the USA team? Haywood was a wUSSY
 
Just rewatch the end of the clippers jazz game 1 where hayward went back to back to BACK bricks, and then joe johnson came in and bailed us all out.

People say hayward needs to play at a faster pace and he could be scoring in the 25ppg range. I think that's ********, he was totally given the all star nod because the SYSTEM and an insane emergence of rudy gobert. Also Joe Johnson bailed us out big time and george hill as much as I hate to admit played big in many games.
 
So Gennessey is saying that Ingles was joking about wearing #20 this upcoming season. Joking I am sure but man that would be legendary.
 
I guess if it makes you feel better, but Hayward hit game winners before (Cleveland and Dallas) and he was an All-star. He is gone and the Jazz have moved forward, no need to discount his performance here. If he wasn't a winner then why do people feel the need to bash him.

How he handled the move was bush league but I am not going pretend that he wasn't successful here. I agree I am VERY excited about DM.
 
I'm glad that others feel the same way as I do. I've said all along (not on here because I'm a lurker, not a poster) that Hayward is a decent player but not a superstar. I think he was a player that benefited from the system and I actually think Boston did the Jazz a solid by signing Hayward to an awful contract. If they hadn't, then we would have. Don't get me wrong, he is a good player, but not a superstar imo. You pay superstar money to people like Durrant, James, Harden, Curry etc. I just don't think Hayward is in the same class as those guys. I would have loved to have kept Hayward at the right price but for some reason the media and everybody started screaming what a superstar he was and it was like we started living in Bizzaro world.
 
Surely said:
I'm glad that others feel the same way as I do. I've said all along (not on here because I'm a lurker, not a poster) that Hayward is a decent player but not a superstar. I think he was a player that benefited from the system and I actually think Boston did the Jazz a solid by signing Hayward to an awful contract. If they hadn't, then we would have. Don't get me wrong, he is a good player, but not a superstar imo. You pay superstar money to people like Durrant, James, Harden, Curry etc. I just don't think Hayward is in the same class as those guys. I would have loved to have kept Hayward at the right price but for some reason the media and everybody started screaming what a superstar he was and it was like we started living in Bizzaro world.
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Hayward didn't get paid Superstar money though. He didn't get the super max. He got paid the appropriate amount, the amount that every team would pay him except maybe GS.

I'm okay with him gone and I think we can recover. That doesn't mean he got paid too much though.
 
I'm not sure I'm there yet, but I'm trying real hard.

I'm genuinely curious his clutchness here, especially the last 2 years. JJ was huge in the clutch and we won that series because of him and not Hayward. If he had 2-3 game winners, how many clutch misses down the stretch did he have?


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Hayward trained and played his butt off while here. I am thankful for the culture he helped build and the experience he helped bring in a first round win. He was a hell of a player for us.

Hated the way he handled leaving but he's gone. Now it's all about Gobert and his "soldiers".

I've moved on. #TakeNote
 
Ron Mexico said:
Hayward didn't get paid Superstar money though. He didn't get the super max. He got paid the appropriate amount, the amount that every team would pay him except maybe GS.

I'm okay with him gone and I think we can recover. That doesn't mean he got paid too much though.
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From a market dictated stance sure but from a practical stance no Haywood is not worth that much money. Boston did DL a solid. We will see this in a couple years with hindsight 20 20.
 
Stoked said:
Hayward trained and played his butt off while here. I am thankful for the culture he helped build and the experience he helped bring in a first round win. He was a hell of a player for us.

Hated the way he handled leaving but he's gone. Now it's all about Gobert and his "soldiers".

I've moved on. #TakeNote
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Good point. I don't even care how clutch he was. I do know JJ was amazing in the clutch.
That's what we need to teach to these younger players. They need to see that.

It feels good to say I truly don't care now that he is gone and can now see it as a blessing in disguise as one poster stated.
I think DM has helped with a swifter move to the next stage.
I don't even want to bag on what's his name, much. I just don't care now.
 
Stoked said:
Hayward trained and played his butt off while here. I am thankful for the culture he helped build and the experience he helped bring in a first round win. He was a hell of a player for us.

Hated the way he handled leaving but he's gone. Now it's all about Gobert and his "soldiers".

I've moved on. #TakeNote
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Solid thumb up. Also them sayin Haywood was soft is dumb. He ain't no billy badass but kid always gave it 100% on the court an worked his nuts off.

An for all y'all butt hurt haters Haywood played nearly 40 minutes or more in every playoff game cept one, had 26-40 points in 6 of ten games an stepped up huge in 4th quarters.

So STFU downplaying how good he is an call it like it is. The way he went about his business was like LeBrons Decision.
 
Not a leader? Sure, I'd agree with that, at least from a vocal perspective.

He was a winner though, through and through. Hayward was never the reason the Jazz didnt win games.
 
Kyoto said:
Well, they DID bring Joe Johnson in to kind of be a good solid role player off the bench and to be a TEAM LEADER in the locker room. Would they have needed to do that with like most other players that made the all star team, let alone ANY of the players that made the USA team? Haywood was a wUSSY
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Joe Johnson, by all accounts, barely talks. They brought him in for his shooting and professionalism. Like Hayward, he is a leader through example and not through communication.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
I'm not sure I'm there yet, but I'm trying real hard.

I'm genuinely curious his clutchness here, especially the last 2 years. JJ was huge in the clutch and we won that series because of him and not Hayward. If he had 2-3 game winners, how many clutch misses down the stretch did he have?


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This has been talked about to death, but Hayward's clutch stats were right in line with most others stars. Most stars experience pretty wide season to season clutch stats as the samples are so small.

And while JJ was clutch this year, he has also had a bad "clutch" season or two when he was the first option in Atlanta.
 
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