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Rudy missed 21 games (26% of the season) in 2015-2016 and Favors missed 20 games (24% of the season). I don't know how many they each missed together, but if anyone could put together some data on what lineups were closing out games in 2015-2016, that would likely be more helpful. If I recall (could be way off), I believe there were a number of games Rudy didn't close because of FTs. I still can't believe there's a strong contingent here that thinks Quin doesn't like to play them together because of this past injury-riddled season. Despite Gobert going down for 3/11 games in the playoffs, Favors only averaged 20 mpg. That flies in the face of the bizarre idea that he was healthy AF, unless we believe Boris was just tearing it up so much that poor Derrick couldn't get any minutes.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
In '15-'16 Gobert/Favors played 881 minutes together. Favors played a total of 1982 minutes. Gobert played a total of 1931 minutes.

This past season Favors played 539 minutes w/ Gobert. He played a total of 1184 minutes. Gobert played 2743.

So Favors played 44% of his total minutes w/ Gobert two years ago and 45% of his total minutes this past year w/ Gobert.

Those numbers numbers might be slightly misleading in 2015-2016 as you probably need to go through and subtract the total minutes from when Gobert and Favors missed games so their total minutes only account for the games where they both played, but I'm too lazy to do that.
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This year Gobert played the most among bigs with JJ, but I am not sure how much of that was JJ at the 3 or 4. But they played 1102 minutes together. The next highest was Gobert and Diaw at 915 minutes. Gobert and Lyles played 559 minutes. This year Favors and Gobert only played together 541 minutes. Of Gobert's 2744 minutes this season he only played with Favors 19% of the time.

Last season Gobert played the most minutes among bigs with Favors at 882 minutes. Of Gobert's 1932 minutes that season he played with Favors 45% of the time. That is a significant difference. The next most played big man combo was Favors and Booker at 556 minutes. The third highest was Gobert and Booker at 500 minutes. That is a huge difference between those seasons when Favors is healthy and Hurt.

So when healthy Favors and Gobert play together the most of any big combo and they spend roughly half their time together on the court.

When Favors is hurt they are one of the least played together big man combos and spend 19% of their time together.

Bottom line is when Favors is healthy he plays Gobert and Favors together. When Favors is hobbled and struggling to move well Snyder wisely puts him at backup center so his loss of movement is negated slightly more than when he is at PF.

By the way when Favors and Gobert played together last season their offensive rating was 106.4. That is the same offensive rating that Gobert and Diaw put up together this season. Obviously our defense is better with Favors and Gobert together over Diaw and our offense is the same.
 
Ron Mexico said:
This year Gobert played the most among bigs with JJ, but I am not sure how much of that was JJ at the 3 or 4. But they played 1102 minutes together. The next highest was Gobert and Diaw at 915 minutes. Gobert and Lyles played 559 minutes. This year Favors and Gobert only played together 541 minutes. Of Gobert's 2744 minutes this season he only played with Favors 19% of the time.

Last season Gobert played the most minutes among bigs with Favors at 882 minutes. Of Gobert's 1932 minutes that season he played with Favors 45% of the time. That is a significant difference. The next most played big man combo was Favors and Booker at 556 minutes. The third highest was Gobert and Booker at 500 minutes. That is a huge difference between those seasons when Favors is healthy and Hurt.

So when healthy Favors and Gobert play together the most of any big combo and they spend roughly half their time together on the court.

When Favors is hurt they are one of the least played together big man combos and spend 19% of their time together.

Bottom line is when Favors is healthy he plays Gobert and Favors together. When Favors is hobbled and struggling to move well Snyder wisely puts him at backup center so his loss of movement is negated slightly more than when he is at PF.

By the way when Favors and Gobert played together last season their offensive rating was 106.4. That is the same offensive rating that Gobert and Diaw put up together this season. Obviously our defense is better with Favors and Gobert together over Diaw and our offense is the same.
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That's barely anytime for a starting PF and C to play together!

Compare to another high level front-court, Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin.

Griffin played 2076 minutes this season. Out of those minutes, he spent 1769 on the court w/ DeAndre Jordan.

The fact that Favors/Gobert have the same offensive rating as Gobert/Diaw isnt a positive thing...

It's pretty clear Quin has not liked Favors/Gobert pairing throughout his tenure with the Jazz. Sure, there have been health issues with each, but even when they are healthy, they rarely eclipse 50% of their respective court time w/ each other. You are one of the only people on the board who try to downplay little trust Quin has in the duo.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
That's barely anytime for a starting PF and C to play together!

Compare to another high level front-court, Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin.

Griffin played 2076 minutes this season. Out of those minutes, he spent 1769 on the court w/ DeAndre Jordan.

The fact that Favors/Gobert have the same offensive rating as Gobert/Diaw isnt a positive thing...

It's pretty clear Quin has not liked Favors/Gobert pairing throughout his tenure with the Jazz. Sure, there have been health issues with each, but even when they are healthy, they rarely eclipse 50% of their respective court time w/ each other. You are one of the only people on the board who try to downplay little trust Quin has in the duo.
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I think RM made a good case statistically that Quin will play them together, showing that when both healthy, they played together about 2 1/2 times as much as last year. Also, even that year is not a good sample because both were out with injuries for extended periods and not at the same time. I think the hope is that Favors can develop a consistent outside jumper and if he could extend to the 3, then they'll be playing lots of time together. Remember, when healthy, Favors has better lateral movement than Rudy and can better guard wings who take him outside than Rudy. It gives the Jazz incredible defensive potential if Quin can find a way that works to play them together. The big question is, can Favors recover from his injuries and return to the player that he was.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
That's barely anytime for a starting PF and C to play together!

Compare to another high level front-court, Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin.

Griffin played 2076 minutes this season. Out of those minutes, he spent 1769 on the court w/ DeAndre Jordan.

The fact that Favors/Gobert have the same offensive rating as Gobert/Diaw isnt a positive thing...

It's pretty clear Quin has not liked Favors/Gobert pairing throughout his tenure with the Jazz. Sure, there have been health issues with each, but even when they are healthy, they rarely eclipse 50% of their respective court time w/ each other. You are one of the only people on the board who try to downplay little trust Quin has in the duo.
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He plays them together more than any other bigs combo when healthy. Comparing them to a team that has pretty set rotations is not really fair. This team has been in constant flux with lineups due to injuries and the way Snyder runs it. It is clear that he changed Favors role when healthy. He trusts playing them together just fine. The only reasons they didnt play together more last season was due to Gobert not being able to finish games with poor FT shooting. As well as the fact that they were both hurt at various points and they had other injuries that caused for lineup changes. If that team wasnt the most injured team in the NBA they would have played together even more. Assuming they are both healthy next year and we have this roster I expect that number playing together to be around 70+%.

Diaw was good for our offense on the court. He made the offense function fairly well. It was defensively that he was a big liability usually. The fact that the offense functioned well with Gobert and Favors the previous season is a big plus.

I think it is false information being spread that Snyder doesnt trust them to play together because he does when they are healthy.
 
I accounted for Derrick Favors total minutes played w/ Gobert healthy in 15-16 season. Favors played 1540 total minutes w/ a healthy Gobert available to play. He played 881 minutes w/ Gobert, so about 57% of his minutes were spent w/ Gobert.

That still is a fairly small % for two players of their caliber.
 
Ron Mexico said:
He plays them together more than any other bigs combo when healthy. Comparing them to a team that has pretty set rotations is not really fair. This team has been in constant flux with lineups due to injuries and the way Snyder runs it. It is clear that he changed Favors role when healthy. He trusts playing them together just fine. The only reasons they didnt play together more last season was due to Gobert not being able to finish games with poor FT shooting. As well as the fact that they were both hurt at various points and they had other injuries that caused for lineup changes. If that team wasnt the most injured team in the NBA they would have played together even more. Assuming they are both healthy next year and we have this roster I expect that number playing together to be around 70+%.

Diaw was good for our offense on the court. He made the offense function fairly well. It was defensively that he was a big liability usually. The fact that the offense functioned well with Gobert and Favors the previous season is a big plus.

I think it is false information being spread that Snyder doesnt trust them to play together because he does when they are healthy.
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There were many times in 15/16 when both where healthy and Quin chose to go w/ Booker in place of Gobert or Favors. It's not misinformation, it's clearly a thing Quin struggles with.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
There were many times in 15/16 when both where healthy and Quin chose to go w/ Booker in place of Gobert or Favors. It's not misinformation, it's clearly a thing Quin struggles with.
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There is times he chose to but much more often he chose to play them together. Of course Snyder is going to mix things up based on matchups.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
There is no PF/C combo with as much talent that plays less minutes together than Favors/Gobert

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Well, I guess we will see next year. That statement might be true but there are way too many factors to draw much from that. I dont want to dig through all the teams to see if that is true.

I think all the facts show that Snyder prefers playing them together when they are healthy plenty. They play together more than any other combo of bigs on our team. Yes, when Favors is hurt his role changed. Yes, Gobert didnt close games in 15/16 as much but that has changed. Yes, when we dont have a decent backup center Snyder is smart and sometimes staggers them. There is no proof that he does not like to play them together when healthy though.

There is also plenty of proof that they play well together when they do play. Their stats are solid together when healthy.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Well, I guess we will see next year. That statement might be true but there are way too many factors to draw much from that. I dont want to dig through all the teams to see if that is true.

I think all the facts show that Snyder prefers playing them together when they are healthy plenty. They play together more than any other combo of bigs on our team. Yes, when Favors is hurt his role changed. Yes, Gobert didnt close games in 15/16 as much but that has changed. Yes, when we dont have a decent backup center Snyder is smart and sometimes staggers them. There is no proof that he does not like to play them together when healthy though.

There is also plenty of proof that they play well together when they do play. Their stats are solid together when healthy.
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When bother were healthy last year they only played 56% of Favors total minutes together.



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Hayward and Hood didnt play that large of a role together last season. Less than Favors and Gobert played together the previous season. I guess they couldnt match together right? There are tons of examples of players playing less then 56% of their on court time together that are integral players on a team.

Coaches stagger their better players all the time. They also mix things up for matchups. Especially when you only have two players who can protect the rim and play good interior defense on your roster.

This year we have a more solid backup center option. We have a healthy Favors. We will see them playing a lot together. Maybe a trade happens but I doubt it at this point. We are going to let Favors and Gobert beast out together this year.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Hayward and Hood didnt play that large of a role together last season. Less than Favors and Gobert played together the previous season. I guess they couldnt match together right? There are tons of examples of players playing less then 56% of their on court time together that are integral players on a team.

Coaches stagger their better players all the time. They also mix things up for matchups. Especially when you only have two players who can protect the rim and play good interior defense on your roster.

This year we have a more solid backup center option. We have a healthy Favors. We will see them playing a lot together. Maybe a trade happens but I doubt it at this point. We are going to let Favors and Gobert beast out together this year.
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In 15/16 Hood played 75% of his total minutes with Hayward. That is around the number your best starters should be playing together if you are opening and closing games with them.

This past year there was obvious injury issues with Hood.

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And even this past year with how badly Hood played he still played about 62% of his minutes with Hayward, and that would increase a bit if I went through and corrected the minutes total for the games Hayward missed.

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