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Sixers ready to part ways with Igoudala.

NUMBERICA said:
You actually raise a point that makes strengthens my feeling on ditching Al and still remaining at least competitive enough; Memo. The only way the guy is getting minutes is if someone goes, otherwise he will (or should) rot on the bench. Between Favors, Millsap (who can play the 3, but is not and should not be a full-time 3), Memo, and Biyombo/Kanter (if it happens), you have enough bodies to be okay. With Al, it turns into a legitimate logjam if Memo is to play AND if the Jazz draft a big. Favors isn't going anywhere, Millsap is efficient and on a cheap deal and can play some 3, Memo is going to demand time but probably shouldn't.

I don't know, everyone should take my opinion on Al with a grain of salt because I never liked the acquisition and try as I did to get into it he just fortified my initial opinion.
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Everyone seems to think the best way to develop Favors is to play him 30 minutes a night, every single night. But we're still trying to win. And Favors is not polished enough to warrant leaving him out there even if it costs us wins. His offensive game is way too raw and, like any young player, he gets lost on the court for stretches.

I think he'll average 25-28 minutes. That means there will be nights he plays 35 and nights he plays 20. More importantly, the idea is to keep building his confidence along with his minutes. He's not even 20.

We're going to have 4 guys at the bigs next year like we should. To start the year, I'm sure Memo's minutes will be reduced to ease him in. As long as he stays healthy, the minutes will then get sorted according to performance.
 
Everyone on this board seems to have forgotten that Iggy refused to work out for the Jazz coming into the draft and was quoted as saying he wouldn't play in Utah. No thanks.
 
MrBlue said:
Everyone on this board seems to have forgotten that Iggy refused to work out for the Jazz coming into the draft and was quoted as saying he wouldn't play in Utah. No thanks.
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Link?

Koufos refused to work out for the Jazz, too. Iggy was drafted ninth when the Jazz had the 14 and 16, so it might have been a refusal to work out for teams drafting after your projection.
 
billyshelby said:
Everyone seems to think the best way to develop Favors is to play him 30 minutes a night, every single night. But we're still trying to win. And Favors is not polished enough to warrant leaving him out there even if it costs us wins. His offensive game is way too raw and, like any young player, he gets lost on the court for stretches.

I think he'll average 25-28 minutes. That means there will be nights he plays 35 and nights he plays 20. More importantly, the idea is to keep building his confidence along with his minutes. He's not even 20.

We're going to have 4 guys at the bigs next year like we should. To start the year, I'm sure Memo's minutes will be reduced to ease him in. As long as he stays healthy, the minutes will then get sorted according to performance.
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The Jazz will have AT LEAST 4 bigs next year and all of them demand significant minutes. If they draft a big, that's 5 with the rookie (and probably top-10 pick) not having a chance to get on the court. Considering that Al is fool's gold of the highest order, will be the highest paid player, and will be relatively old for where the team will be at in a couple of years, he seems pretty clearly the odd man out to me.

If they don't draft a big at all, then whatever I guess. But I think they should and will.
 
Zerol said:
Not saying I think Iguodala is exactly what we need, but to say that Iguodala is on the same level of AK lost you some credibility.
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Reread my post. No where did I say that they were on the same level.

However, both have/had two glaring weaknesses that, in my opinion, to overcome the positives.

#1 Waaaaaayyyyyyyy too overpaid. Neither can carry a team offensively. Yet are paid to do so.
#2 Inability to shoot.

Again, if we want an overrated SF that cannot shoot, lets just resign AK instead of trading away quality pieces for an overpaid Iggy. Iggy might be better at this stage of the career. But is that worth the cost? Have we learned nothing from the past 8 years?
 
Iggy is just too much money. And he is 27. Granger is 28. Both of these guys I don't think should be the "star" of any team. I think they need a superstar around them to help carry their team. I love great defensive players like Iggy, but he is not worth it considering the situation of this team right now.

I want the Jazz to get really young. I don't think the Jazz's main goal this off season/upcoming season should be to bring in a guy like Iggy or Granger, I think it should be to find a way to drop or get rid of players that aren't in their future plans (Memo, Raja, AK). I have no problem giving up being good for the next couple of seasons for a chance to be great in 3-4 seasons.
 
underKANTER said:
He's overpaid, like 4 millions a year as he deserves. He is almost paid like a superstar, but i would think about it. An athletic wing that can pass, play defense and drive to the basket, why not? depends on whether we can resign AK for 6/year or not.
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Your username is possibly the worst I've ever read. What were you thinking? Abandon this account and start over.
 
Id much rather have Josh Smith over AI. I just wish there was a way we could trade for Smith over Granger or AI. Smith tore it up last night. And how many peple want the Jazz/Bulls to win this series? Im voting for Atlanta!

And I have to agree. AI makes too much money. He is very multi-skilled but Ak is a better shooter. But, it would be very fun team to watch. With a big line up. What would the Jazz have to give up though? Okur, Millsap, Evans, and the 12th pick for AI, Nocioni, Spieghts? I could really see this working our great for both Parties. The 76ers save a ton of money, maybe not this next season, but in the seasons after that. Once Memo's contract comes off the books. Which would make it easier to resign Hawes and Young this offseason. Utah will give away a ton of financial flexability for the next 3 years, But Utah would be deep. And I would use our 6th pick on a pg.

Harris/(Knight, Walker, Jimmer)
Hayward/Miles
AI/Nocioni
Favors/
Jefferson/Speights

Thats a pretty Amazing team
 
Jazzfanz said:
Id much rather have Josh Smith over AI. I just wish there was a way we could trade for Smith over Granger or AI. Smith tore it up last night. And how many peple want the Jazz/Bulls to win this series? Im voting for Atlanta!

And I have to agree. AI makes too much money. He is very multi-skilled but Ak is a better shooter. But, it would be very fun team to watch. With a big line up. What would the Jazz have to give up though? Okur, Millsap, Evans, and the 12th pick for AI, Nocioni, Spieghts? I could really see this working our great for both Parties. The 76ers save a ton of money, maybe not this next season, but in the seasons after that. Once Memo's contract comes off the books. Which would make it easier to resign Hawes and Young this offseason. Utah will give away a ton of financial flexability for the next 3 years, But Utah would be deep. And I would use our 6th pick on a pg.

Harris/(Knight, Walker, Jimmer)
Hayward/Miles
AI/Nocioni
Favors/
Jefferson/Speights

Thats a pretty Amazing team
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I'm not so sure on AK being a better shooter than AI. From the games I have seen (few) of the Sixers play, AI is guarded much more closely on his jumper. AK is generally left WIDE open and still clanks a good amount.
 
Would you trade Jefferson, Miles and our 6th pick

for

Granger & Hibbert

and would they? Any possibility to make this happen? (Key pieces getting Granger and hibbert while giving up Jefferson and whoever else they want).

Harris
Hayward
Granger
Favors - Millsap
Hibbert
 
Twin Towers said:
Would you trade Jefferson, Miles and our 6th pick

for

Granger & Hibbert

and would they? Any possibility to make this happen? (Key pieces getting Granger and hibbert while giving up Jefferson and whoever else they want).

Harris
Hayward
Granger
Favors - Millsap
Hibbert
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I probably would. Hibbert gives us a clear 5, even though he is a bit slow for my liking. He can hit the midrange too, so he has to be guarded a bit outside the paint. Our wings would be dead eye shooters, we would have a fast PG, and Sap could start until Favors is ready to man the 4.

Would the Pacers do it? Not sure. I dont know how the front office regards Granger in terms to their future. They already have CJ Miles in Brandon Rush. I think they would really like having Jefferson though.

I doubt the Jazz would do this. I think they are excited to rebuild as a youth movement.
 
Twin Towers said:
Would you trade Jefferson, Miles and our 6th pick
for
Granger & Hibbert
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No.
Granger is not the type of player who can be "the guy" on a contender, and he's making over $50 million over the next 4 seasons. You can easily argue Al isn't good enough to be your #1 guy either, but he's only got 2 years left on his contract - by which time we'll know for sure if he can be the answer or not.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
I probably would. Hibbert gives us a clear 5, even though he is a bit slow for my liking. He can hit the midrange too, so he has to be guarded a bit outside the paint. Our wings would be dead eye shooters, we would have a fast PG, and Sap could start until Favors is ready to man the 4.

Would the Pacers do it? Not sure. I dont know how the front office regards Granger in terms to their future. They already have CJ Miles in Brandon Rush. I think they would really like having Jefferson though.

I doubt the Jazz would do this. I think they are excited to rebuild as a youth movement.
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Jefferson & Miles

for

Hibbert, Rush & Posey's expiring contract to make it work.

We keep our 6th pick

Harris
Rush
Hayward
Favors
Hibbert

Than have 2 draft picks still to fill the bench. Biyombo and a wing player coming off the bench.
 
Twin Towers said:
Jefferson & Miles

for

Hibbert, Rush & Posey's expiring contract to make it work.

We keep our 6th pick

Harris
Rush
Hayward
Favors
Hibbert

Than have 2 draft picks still to fill the bench. Biyombo and a wing player coming off the bench.
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No way, Jefferson > Hibbert all the way. I'm not even sure Rush is an upgrade over Miles.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
No way, Jefferson > Hibbert all the way. I'm not even sure Rush is an upgrade over Miles.
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While Rush and Hibbert aren't much younger than Miles and Jefferson (if at all), they're still a lot earlier in their careers and even now know not to take every shot that comes to them (a problem with both Miles and Jefferson). I'd do either trade instantly if the 5 guys in the draft I'd want are gone.

Edit: But I think Indiana laughs the Jazz off the phone.
 
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Darkwing Duck said:
Link?

Koufos refused to work out for the Jazz, too. Iggy was drafted ninth when the Jazz had the 14 and 16, so it might have been a refusal to work out for teams drafting after your projection.
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I don't have a link. It's been too long, but he refused because it was Utah. Not draft position. He had some quote about it. Weirdly so did Channing Frye...
 
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