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Las Vegas: Worst Mass Shooting in US History

fishonjazz said:
A.Lots of thing can make things more deadly but shouldn't be banned.
B.i don't have enough data to have an opinion on the legality of suppressors.
Part of why I wanted to discuss it.

Just made common sense to me that quieter might be preferable to louder if you are a shooter who wants to either get away or evade capture/detection as long as possible to take out as many people as possible.

I didn't think my line of thinking was unreasonable or unique or controversial or anything.
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Yeah, and since the sheriff now believes he did plan on escaping, with 50 pounds of explosives and 1600 rounds of ammo in his car, and since he planned this for so long and so meticulously, it does make one wonder why he did not also use something that might have helped him in that respect. Personally, I think people dropping all around was far more then enough to cause the stampede that ensued, even if people thought it was firecrackers momentarily. I'm not really convinced suppressors would have delayed realization and stampeding. Something like that happens fast once those in the area where people were first dropping begin to run, panic spreads very fast.
 
Red said:
Yeah, and since the sheriff now believes he did plan on escaping, with 50 pounds of explosives and 1600 rounds of ammo in his car, and since he planned this for so long and so meticulously, it does make one wonder why he did not also use something that might have helped him in that respect. Personally, I think people dropping all around was far more then enough to cause the stampede that ensued, even if people thought it was firecrackers momentarily. I'm not really convinced suppressors would have delayed realization and stampeding. Something like that happens fast once those in the area where people were first dropping begin to run, panic spreads very fast.
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Ya im not convinced a suppressor would have changed anything either. I was simply trying to have a discussion of whether there is a possibility that one could. I certainly think there are reasons to believe that it could have been even worse. Certainly not convinced of that possibility though.

Just seems to me that as a target/victim I would prefer to have the ability to hear a gun shooting at me rather than not hear it. And if I were a shooter I would prefer for my targets not to hear my gun if at all possible or even have it be harder to hear if I couldn't eliminate the sound completely. That's just me though.

Maybe the shooter made a mistake. Could happen I suppose.
 
Red said:
Receipts have also emerged showing he checked in earlier then originally reported, and a room service receipt showing 2 guests were listed on a food order that included 2 Pepsies. As well, it is known that some 45 minutes before the attack began, a woman was in the crowd harassing people and yelling "you're all going to die tonight". That woman, and a male companion, was thrown out of the venue. That may have just been a sheer coincidence, there is an interview in which a female concert goer described that incident.
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I read up on that - probably just a sad coincidence. I think that woman was just some random nut. Other eyewitnesses were saying she was doing other crazy things and screaming at people in the crowd for supposedly pushing her before she got tossed.
 
The way some here talk about guns, and gun lovers in general, kinda sound like addicts. As an addict, I know an addict when I see one. Just sayin.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I think I agree with [MENTION=3073]JustTheTip[/MENTION] on the silencer thing. From what research I can see very few crimes are committed with Silencers. The laws and regulations we have seem to be fairly effective. .
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The laws we have now are fine, and are probably the reason this guy didn't have any suppressors. As far as research, people are using that as a reason to make these things much more accessible to the public, which is laughable. If nobody hears a shot and nobody gets caught for a murder, how in the hell is anyone ever going to put that into statistics?
 
Anyway, for those who still doubt that a suppressor could have made a difference, here is some video of when the shots first started firing. There is nothing graphic, but I'm sure some people would still rather not watch this, so don't watch it if you're easily disturbed. What it shows is that shots can be heard over the music, and no reaction at first. Then, in several areas, there are some stampedes, but many people in the same area don't react at all. People started running away from people who had been hit, but many didn't react, even with people running next to them.

It's not like people got hit and then everybody suddenly realized what was happening. Even hearing the shots and seeing a stampede, many people didn't react. A suppressor could have made it sound like something way off in the distance, and most people's brains wouldn't associate that sound with a gun in the immediate area. I encourage anyone with doubts to watch this video and then the one I posted earlier comparing an unsuppressed rifle to one with a suppressor.

EDIT: To be totally fair, I can understand why some people don't believe it would've had mattered. Some suppressors don't make a whole lot of difference, compared to the one in the first video I posted. Having said that, I'll amend my statements that a suppressor would've made a difference, and just say that in the right setup, it could have.

With as much planning as this guy put into this, I think he could've set himself up in an even more lethal position with the right combination of rifle and suppressor.



[video=youtube_share;nQJ2yIXrky8]https://youtu.be/nQJ2yIXrky8
 
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the left must be some special kind of stupid!


they have been calling trump hitler for over 2 years now! yet they want him to take their guns!


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that is some special kind of *******. wanting the guy you think is like hitler to take the guns!

this is record breaking special kind of stupid!


Eidt: i did not want to trigger people and get an infraction so i retracted the offensive R word
 
Stoked said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/las-vegas-shooting.html

NRA just came out in support of restrictions on bump stocks.
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I've been doing some research on other modifications as well. There is something called a binary trigger that will fire when the trigger is pulled and also when it is released. When you pull the trigger as fast as you can, it is very similar to automatic fire, although a little more herky jerky. There's also a crank similar to a gatlin gun.

I think it's gotten to the point that if somebody wanted to turn a semi-auto into full auto, they will figure out a modification.

I kinda wonder if the Vegas shooter wasn't using binary triggers as well as bump stocks, although I haven't read anything to that effect.
 
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Last I read is that he had 12 weapons equipped with bump stocks, so that should take care of any comments in this thread about barrels or suppressors overheating. Not an issue with that many weapons to switch out.
 
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