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candrew said:
Yep, that was downright Corbin-like.

Jazz are not nearly as bad as they were last night; but they're not that good either.

I said it in August and I'll say it now - 35-38 wins is the absolute ceiling for this team - and that's sprinkled with some optimism. Jazz just don't have the offensive talent to make up for the loss of Hayward and Hill.

And as far as Rubio is concerned - love to say it but I told you so. Nice kid who can do nice things on the court now and again but he has no clue how to play winning basketball.

Favors looks like he's 37. No clue what happened to him.

Burks looks mentally shot.

Hood's a third option.

Ingles is a role player and cult hero - not a starter.

If Mitchell is the real thing (and I think he is) and The Jazz get lucky and pick up another legit scorer via the draft or trade then The Jazz might get lucky and have a quick one year re-set. But this team, this year, is going nowhere.
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Agreed with all but the Hood part. He's more like a 4th option.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Yeah, against a tough schedule, we started 7-8. We then proceeded to win a ton. Our schedule is a ****ing joke now and we're losing.
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The Jazz have lost two games they were expected to win and won one they were expected to lose according to preseason projections. They are currently on a 44 win pace.

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The only game worse than last nights (in recent memory) was when the Clippers bench beat our starters.

No doubt the players are embarrassed after last night.
 
This team is just suffering without Hayward-- and Hood hasn't stepped up (and I'm starting to doubt he ever will).

Our most potent weapon on offence is the Rubio/Gobert pick-and-roll-- and we don't have deadly-enough of shooters to punish teams whenever they're picking Rudy up early in the roll.

I'm not entirely sure where we go from here. Even if Hood starts scoring at an insane clip, will he ever be the passer that Hayward was? Probably not.

Our bench has improved from last year-- and our PG is an improvement from last year too IMO (did George Hill have a single 30 point game?).

With that said, the loss of Hayward has really gutted this team-- and apart from Mitchell morphing into a fringe all-star it really seems like this is gonna be a ~46 win team. The West has improved too much-- look at how NOLAs been doing.

Still think we make the playoffs, but these have been some very ugly losses.
 
Problem in our offence we are getting tons of good looks from perimeter but we are just not making them. And I do have an issue with amount of 3s we are taking. To be like Rockets or GSW we need shooters and we do not have them. So why we are even trying 35+ 3's a game? We should look into involving Rudy more ( 6-8 FG attempts for him is too low!) and getting plays to get easier shots near the basket. Unless somehow we start connecting on those long shots at better % we will keep losing to teams like Phily or Suns. Quin is smart dude, I have trust in him to figure it out and tweak it to our strength eventually.
 
What about this:

Cavs get Favors and Burks
Pacers get Shumpert
Jazz get Frye, Al Jefferson and Cedi Osman

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v3jmtp

Cavs do it to play Favors at center which would work well in their offense. He would get plenty of time with Tristan and Love. Burks isnt that much worse that Shumpert. Frye and Shumpert are role players but Favors could make an impact.

Pacers get a much needed wing defender in Shumpert

We get to dump Burks' salary because Frye and Jefferson are expirings. And the Osman kid might not be that bad.


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MVP said:
Problem in our offence we are getting tons of good looks from perimeter but we are just not making them. And I do have an issue with amount of 3s we are taking. To be like Rockets or GSW we need shooters and we do not have them. So why we are even trying 35+ 3's a game? We should look into involving Rudy more ( 6-8 FG attempts for him is too low!) and getting plays to get easier shots near the basket. Unless somehow we start connecting on those long shots at better % we will keep losing to teams like Phily or Suns. Quin is smart dude, I have trust in him to figure it out and tweak it to our strength eventually.
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THIS^^^^^

They get open looks but they cannot hit an open 3 to save their lives. I just don't get it. Lock yourselves in the !@#$#@$ gym for a few hours a day launching 3s!!!
 
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dalamon said:
This team is just suffering without Hayward-- and Hood hasn't stepped up (and I'm starting to doubt he ever will).

Our most potent weapon on offence is the Rubio/Gobert pick-and-roll-- and we don't have deadly-enough of shooters to punish teams whenever they're picking Rudy up early in the roll.

I'm not entirely sure where we go from here. Even if Hood starts scoring at an insane clip, will he ever be the passer that Hayward was? Probably not.

Our bench has improved from last year-- and our PG is an improvement from last year too IMO (did George Hill have a single 30 point game?).

With that said, the loss of Hayward has really gutted this team-- and apart from Mitchell morphing into a fringe all-star it really seems like this is gonna be a ~46 win team. The West has improved too much-- look at how NOLAs been doing.

Still think we make the playoffs, but these have been some very ugly losses.
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46 wins? Rofl.

We were basically a 49 win team last year. We were gifted those last two wins.

This is a 36 win team. At best. I'm hoping we shut Gobert down, suck, and do the tank right. Suck it for Doncic!
 
LoPo said:
What about this:

Cavs get Favors and Burks
Pacers get Shumpert
Jazz get Frye, Al Jefferson and Cedi Osman

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6v3jmtp

Cavs do it to play Favors at center which would work well in their offense. He would get plenty of time with Tristan and Love. Burks isnt that much worse that Shumpert. Frye and Shumpert are role players but Favors could make an impact.

Pacers get a much needed wing defender in Shumpert

We get to dump Burks' salary because Frye and Jefferson are expirings. And the Osman kid might not be that bad.


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Throw us a 2nd and I'm in. Why not. **** it.
 
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