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George Karl would take Dirk Nowtizki over Charles Barkley and Karl Malone

I would take Dirk too for 3 reasons:

A - because the other guys are pretty old now.
2- I played NBA Jam at Best Buy and used my code to get all 3.... and Dirk was definitely better.
D - Dirk just sounds tougher than Karl and Charles... what's a Karl, and what's a Charles anyways.. and while I'm at it... what's a Tim?

Wait, scratch all that, I would take Jimmer. Jimmer Trump's all.
 
My how people forget how good the great ones used to be.

Now any guard that can jump is considered MJ. Any big that can score considered Malone or Shaq. And any guard that can pass good is Stockton or Magic.

Just today on PTI they called Lebron the best prospect to come out in the draft in the past 25 years. Really? Is this the same Lebron that has zero rings and the Tmac ability to fade away come playoff time? The same guy that chickened out of Cleveland to be bailed out by 2 other all-stars? Best prospect? Over Shaq, Duncan, Wade, Drose, Kobe, Durant, and Dirk?

Surround Malone with Peja, Terry, Marion, JJ Barea, and Tyson Chandler instead of Felton Spencer, Bruss, Tom Chambers, Howard Eisley, and I think we'd all be surprised on how good he really was.
 
Malone is better because he played both ways. Can you imagine what Karl would do offensively if guys couldn't hand check him. Karl played with less talent too.
 
cowhide said:
Malone is better because he played both ways. Can you imagine what Karl would do offensively if guys couldn't hand check him. Karl played with less talent too.
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yeh Mailman's defense seems to be underrated. Just watched him do a pretty good job on prime david robinson.
 
This confirms Karl's retardation. Who on this list is Dirk better than?

Michael Jordan, Kareem, Hakeem, Bill Russell.
 
The Thriller said:
My how people forget how good the great ones used to be.

Now any guard that can jump is considered MJ. Any big that can score considered Malone or Shaq. And any guard that can pass good is Stockton or Magic.

Just today on PTI they called Lebron the best prospect to come out in the draft in the past 25 years. Really? Is this the same Lebron that has zero rings and the Tmac ability to fade away come playoff time? The same guy that chickened out of Cleveland to be bailed out by 2 other all-stars? Best prospect? Over Shaq, Duncan, Wade, Drose, Kobe, Durant, and Dirk?

Surround Malone with Peja, Terry, Marion, JJ Barea, and Tyson Chandler instead of Felton Spencer, Bruss, Tom Chambers, Howard Eisley, and I think we'd all be surprised on how good he really was.
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Bravo! Well said!

Go ahead and compare and contrast

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html

Its not even close. Malone is way better. (Malone while his career is declining has better numbers than Dirk had in his prime.)
 
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I was wondering about this yesterday when I was considering that Dirk might be making his second Finals appearance this year. I think the conversation is valid, but I still have to go with Malone. Dirk is great, no question, and he has some skills that Malone and Barkley don't. But I still take Malone over him. Dirk has accomplished less (personal statistics and from a team standpoint) despite having an owner who has brought in serious talent. Given his teams over the years, I think he should have accomplished more than he has.

This is just another example of current players (in any age) seeming even better than they are. We watch them and get caught up in the emotion of a great game NOW, and the memory doesn't quite give full credit to guys who played 10+ years ago.

Biggs said:
Keep in mind George Karl hates the Jazz from all the way back to Supersonic days. Maybe before that.
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Before. George Karl was coaching Golden State in 1987 when there was a post-game brouhaha after game 2 of the playoffs. He ended up running into the stands after a fan, and I think his dislike of the Jazz has been around at least that long.
 
I have been a Jazz fan for years and always will be. And I would take Dirk over Karl. You can make a good argument both ways and I get that. Acting like George K is dumb or has a vendetta is being a homer.
 
Nowitzki could never carry some pretty decent teams to the finals. Does everyone forget how good Michael Finley was for a while? He went for over 20 for years. 2002-2003, Dirk (24), Nash (28), Finley (29)--that's a stud young core and they lost in the WFC on a 23 to NOTHING run by the Spurs in the 4th quarter. Van Exel was only 31 that year too.

They added Antawn Jamison (6th year, 27, putting up 20+ and 7 for four years in a row), Antoine Walker (8th year, 27, a 20 and 9 guy for years), and Nash and Dirk gotbetter the next year yet the team got worse?

Stockton, Malone, Finley, Jamison, Walker = Domination. Swap Nash and Stockton and you still crush. But put Nowitzki in there and you drop out in the first round. Stockton, Malone, and a consistent 20 point threat probably would have been enough for multiple titles.

Of course Cuban made one of the dumbest moves of all time after losing in that first round. Had he resigned Nash they may have won a few titles.
 
A) If Cuban resigns Nash I am betting they would have been to the finals in not won it.

B) The argument about not making it to the finals is the same one people used for years against Karl and John. If Dirk retires and never makes it, then you can use that.
 
I'm willing to bet this is driven by not wanting to give Dirk bulletin board material. Karl will still have to coach against Dirk next season. Charles and Malone aren't coming out of retirement to punish him anytime soon.
 
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