Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

[franklin]

Statistically the spacing is the same.

Interested in where you get this from. It seems right with the exception that the Jazz are obviously focused on getting quick shots off from 3. They're shooting deep a lot of times and every player obviously has the green light, even Rudio.

They don't need as much spacing when they can shoot fast (Ingles, Hood, Mitchell).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I was talking mainly about his scoring numbers. I agree his assists can improve. Deep post moves are still included in the post moves(and they would still be extremely small % of his possessions), short rolls are included in the pnr numbers, FT line jumper is included in either the pnr or the spot up numbers(depends on how he gets those). That's why I said he needs to improve and expand his game in order for us to see significant improvements in his offensive output.

BTW those are mainly numbers from last year when he played a lot of his minutes with stretchy 'bigs' like Joe Johnson, because Favors was injured for most of the year and was playing a ton of minutes behind Gobert rather than with him.

Gobert played 40% of his minutes with Joe Johnson on the court last year. I said 100%. Johnson was our only true shooter who could play the 4. This year we have Jerebko and kind of Thabo, along with JJ when he gets healthy, so that could realistically happen if they trade Favors.

 

[Coach Ellis]

How much is Favors going to cost if we resign him and what will that do towards getting an All Star? My guess is he gets $15 million - $18 million in this league. At that rate, we have our team folks. I say we can develop someone from the draft better and for a lot less at the stretch 4 spot or at the 20 - 25 minutes off the bench and that we are better off getting something for him now. Jerebko and Udoh can take up the backup center and stretch 4 minutes that Favors currently gets when Gobert returns.

But I'll say that the board seems to be more split on Favors than most topics on Jazzfanz. It's not as clear cut as some other things.

If Favors only costs the Jazz $15-18 million per year, I’d probably prefer to keep him (if he can keep it up after Rudy comes back AND he can ray healthy.) Cut Rudy’s minutes (to about 28/30) to keep him fresh and healthy for the playoffs and have Favors split his time between the 5 and 4 spots. When Gobert/Favors man the frontcourt together, I’d do it in the 2nd quarter - and with Jingles, Hood and Mitchell on the floor with them. They’d have to cut Udoh’s minutes, but he’d get a bump when either guy needs a game off or extra rest and is nice insurance to have if needed (especially at his cost). Favors is fine in the midrange, and as long as they don’t have Rubio out there, I think it could work better if they stagger the center minutes between the two and never have them both out of the game at the same time.

Jazz can look to add talent through the draft (Gobert, Hood, Mitchell, Neto) or minor value free agency additions (Jingles, JJ, Sefalosha, Jerebko, Booker, Udoh, Carroll and Bazemore) or by using a combination of salary matching and assets to make a bigger move. Don’t see them adding a key free agent outside of a sign and trade along those lines.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

i) Gobert is not getting traded. Overrated or not (not), he is the the most indispensable player on the team.

ii) Players that are similarly indispensable in a way that complements Gobert: Mitchell

iii) Players that project to be valuable to the team, but that can likely be had at a discount because of unfair circumstances: Exum

iv) Role players that complement the above in Snyder's system, and that will likely be kept: Hood, Ingles, Sefolosha, Udoh, Jerebko, Neto.

v) Talented players that do not adequately complement the above, but that could fetch assets in trade: Favors, Johnson, Burks, Rubio.

Ergo, trade as many players in section v as you can, for as many picks (not as likely) and/or complementary players (more likely) as you can.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Interested in where you get this from. It seems right with the exception that the Jazz are obviously focused on getting quick shots off from 3. They're shooting deep a lot of times and every player obviously has the green light, even Rudio.

They don't need as much spacing when they can shoot fast (Ingles, Hood, Mitchell).

The stats come from NBA.com.

I think spacing problem got exacerbated by us missing shots. Teams early stopped guessing us and we kept missing. Now we are hitting a few in a row so teams are coming out to guard us which gives us better inside looks. But statistically those inside looks are almost never wide open like the outside shots, just open. So there is probably a difference in spacing that isn't showing up in stats.

We don't have a star player or an elite shot creator. We have to get our shots that the system is getting us. I think the biggest difference is that Hood is hitting his shots now and Mitchell is as well. Those guys were not earlier. That had more to do with it than Gobert being out. If we hit a lot of threes the paint will be wide open and defenses will be scrambled chasing the ball in our offense. If not teams will just park and watch us move the ball around the outside.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So here is the deal... Favs won’t get more than the mid level exception. What team with space will want him and what will they pay him?

I’ve done the exercise where we try and trade him but there aren’t a lot of starting spots available for him. The same issue will exist in free agency.

Here’s the other deal... he may take a mid level deal and he may except a bench role with another team but not with us... it’s a pride thing and he will need another team to say “ hey you aren’t a max player and some of your limitations make it so we can’t play you with other guys”

Kind of like kanter took the bench role and has been content with it.

There is not a ton of cap space out there and centers aren’t a big priority right now... I think we will all be shocked at the contract offer he gets.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If he can be kept for a bargain contract, great. I just do not see it happening.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If he can be kept for a bargain contract, great. I just do not see it happening.

He won’t stay here on a bargain though... if that makes sense. Kinda like when Paul left for a really reasonable deal... all things being equal moneywise he would go elsewhere.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Faves for $10 million would be a no brainer. Faves for $18 million would be suicide.

You make a good point about there not being a lot of cap space and centers being out of "favor". For me, anything north of $13 million cash straps the team from adding better pieces should the chance arise. I have seen enough favors and Gobert and enough Gobert and Joe Johnson to convince me we need spacing... ESPECIALLY with Rubio at the point.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Faves for $10 million would be a no brainer. Faves for $18 million would be suicide.

You make a good point about there not being a lot of cap space and centers being out of "favor". For me, anything north of $13 million cash straps the team from adding better pieces should the chance arise. I have seen enough favors and Gobert and enough Gobert and Joe Johnson to convince me we need spacing... ESPECIALLY with Rubio at the point.

I wouldn’t mind ditching Rubio if it meant Favs could a few more minutes alongside rudy and make it work.

Unless Dallas, Phoenix, or Chicago offer him a big deal I just don’t see where his bigger than mid level contract comes from.

 

[Tabasco]

The Jazz are a better team without Gobert. This recent stretch of games has proven that. He's a good defender and I like his fire but it's time to accept the truth. People who are saying he's better offensively than Favors are smoking crack. Are you even watching the same players?? The entire offense is leaps and bounds better without Rudy in there stopping the offensive flow by bobbling passes and chucking 3 footers off the backboard with all the grace of a rhinoceros.

Hopefully Quin has the balls to start Favors even when Rudy comes back. But he probably won't, and this fun to watch, high scoring team we've seen recently will be no more than a distant memory. It will be back to mediocrity and hoping we can beat teams 82-79 every night.

 

[radiohegel]

The Jazz are a better team without Gobert. This recent stretch of games has proven that. He's a good defender and I like his fire but it's time to accept the truth. People who are saying he's better offensively than Favors are smoking crack. Are you even watching the same players?? The entire offense is leaps and bounds better without Rudy in there stopping the offensive flow by bobbling passes and chucking 3 footers off the backboard with all the grace of a rhinoceros.

Hopefully Quin has the balls to start Favors even when Rudy comes back. But he probably won't, and this fun to watch, high scoring team we've seen recently will be no more than a distant memory. It will be back to mediocrity and hoping we can beat teams 82-79 every night.

Tabasco sauce isn't usually this hot...