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Hate BYU, but don't hate Jimmer

oldtimer

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First, I apologize for starting a separate Jimmer thread.

20 some years ago I graduated from the U of U, so of course I hate BYU. To make it worse I have 5 brothers and 2 sisters. Most of them went to school at the U, but because they are Mormon they cheer for the Y. This makes me hate the Y even more; disloyalty. This last year I got a lot of calls to watch Jimmer, because according to my family he's only the second person to ever walk on water. I finally tuned in to find flaws with his game.

Here is what I saw. A player who didn't even try to play defense. I don't think he ever got in a defensive stance all year. It was pathetic and showed a lack of effort.

However, his offensive game stunned me. I watched teams devote entire defensive games plans to stop him and they couldn't. I saw a scorer, not just a three point wizard. He scored in the lane with floater, floppers, drop shots, hook shots, (shots from the game of HORSE), etc. His shot extends beyond the NBA three point line.

I concluded that despite my hate and his complete lack of defensive skills, I would draft the kid because he plays a role for an NBA team. Every team needs role players and Jimmer has a role to play. Shooter.

It is clear to me that whether we draft Jimmer at 12 (anybody who says 3 goes or went to the Y) depends entirely on two things. First, who we take with the first pick and second who is left at 12. If we take DW2 with the 3rd pick I think Jimmer goes to the Jazz. If we take Kanter with the 3rd pick I think Jimmer goes to the Jazz. If we take Knight with the first pick we don't take Jimmer at all, even if he is the BPA at 12. The only thing that possibly messes up this prediction is if one of the Big 3 remaining Euro's falls to 12.

There is no need to ever bring up Jimmer again because we know what will happen.
 
Did you see him at the combine? He is so slow. Jimmer will be a fine player on the right team (ala Aaron Rodgers). Jimmer will not be a goo player for us. We aren't good enough. Jimmer needs to go to a contender, not to an awful team with no defense. I wish him the best, and I will root for him now that he isn't a pussycat, but I do not want him on the Jazz. Not at 12. That is too high for a player that can do one thing and one thing only.

I agree that we do need shooters, but we need defense more. Our offense is fine. We need a defensive role player more than Jimmer.
 
Did you see his tights. That right there is reason enough to not draft him. Do you think his brother advised him to wear those? Ha ha.
 
I like Singleton too. Seems like a sure thing and someone who is going to give you good minutes, but I think there are other guys who might be available who might have better upside.
 
Is Singleton our lock down defending 3 of the future?

I think him or Leonard are the only potential lock down defenders in the draft, in terms of being able to lock down your every day NBA player and also having the size and athletic ability to bother the super stars. Singleton especially though because I think he focuses on it more than anyone.
 
I want to see the Jazz take Jimmer somewhere later and plant him 7 feet behind the arc, daring wing defenders to drop down and double Jefferson in the post.
 
I want to see the Jazz take Jimmer somewhere later and plant him 7 feet behind the arc, daring wing defenders to drop down and double Jefferson in the post.

I know... talk about spreading the floor.
If he hit those in the game, it would open things right up.
 
What is the definition of a great shooter? For me, it is shooting a high percentage. Jimmer's averages in college were OK. He hits spectacular shots. His range is unbelievable. When he is in a zone, he makes everything he throws up - like CJ. But I can't call him a great shooter unless I change my definition. And before you start with the blah blah about how he was defended, check out his percentages for all 4 years.
 
What is the definition of a great shooter? For me, it is shooting a high percentage. Jimmer's averages in college were OK. He hits spectacular shots. His range is unbelievable. When he is in a zone, he makes everything he throws up - like CJ. But I can't call him a great shooter unless I change my definition. And before you start with the blah blah about how he was defended, check out his percentages for all 4 years.

You mean his 39% 3 point career, where he created the majority, and jacked up from 40 footers? Terrible, terrible shooting.

He'd crush 33 footers in the NBA day and night, with a guy in his grill a la Peja 2003 catch-and-shoot off screens. His eyes would roll into the back of his skull, blaze fire and blind defenders, while remotely steer the ball to the bucket.

The kid will hurt teams picking and rolling too.

Ooh, and have you heard he's been impressing at the combine? Those are the professionals, in case you all didn't know.

Homers > Commies.
 
What is the definition of a great shooter? For me, it is shooting a high percentage. Jimmer's averages in college were OK. He hits spectacular shots. His range is unbelievable. When he is in a zone, he makes everything he throws up - like CJ. But I can't call him a great shooter unless I change my definition. And before you start with the blah blah about how he was defended, check out his percentages for all 4 years.

And to go along with Franklin on this, are you saying his 50% 2pt percentage should have been 55 or 60 for him to be a good shooter?

For his college career he shot:
40% from 3
90% from the FT line
46% of all shots jacked up total ... and
50% of all 2pt shots jacked up

Pretty weak eh?
 
Great foul shooter for sure. But as I have stated before, I don't consider someone who is not in the top 100 in D1 in 3pt shooting a GREAT shooter. I don't consider someone who had more games shooting less than 33 % from beyond the arc than he did 50% or better a GREAT shooter. I don't consider someone who have 1/3 of his games shooting 25% or less from 3 a GREAT shooter. If those numbers still mean great to you so be it. Then we just disagree on the definition. He is a good shooter, but if I am drafting someone for the specialty of being a GREAT shooter, the numbers don't add up. Again his range is incredible. And he makes spectacular shots. Those are not my definition of great. So if I am drafting JF, I am doing it for more than his shooting, particularly picking anywhere in the lottery.


Even though this will make the zealots mad, I saw this last week and found it interesting.

jaycee vs. jimmer.jpg
 
You mean his 39% 3 point career, where he created the majority, and jacked up from 40 footers? Terrible, terrible shooting.

He'd crush 33 footers in the NBA day and night, with a guy in his grill a la Peja 2003 catch-and-shoot off screens. His eyes would roll into the back of his skull, blaze fire and blind defenders, while remotely steer the ball to the bucket.

The kid will hurt teams picking and rolling too.

Ooh, and have you heard he's been impressing at the combine? Those are the professionals, in case you all didn't know.

Homers > Commies.

If you believe what you said, you should obviously draft him #3. I don't. I do think his decision making is another good topic however.
 
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