Unnecessary just acquire assets thread

[Miggs]

To me that means picks. First round picks primarily. And that's what I want.

Trade Burks and Favors. Trade Johnson and Bradley. Trade Rubio (chuckle). Heck, I want them around but Udoh, Sefalosha and Jerebko really shouldn't be off limits either. Let's face it, by the time we hope to be contending, those guys likely wouldn't be here anyway.

So let's get er done. I'd love to see us acquire two more 1sts before the deadline. This could give us the power to use our 11th pick, hypothetically speaking, to move up and get a beast in this draft to put alongside Mitchell and Gobert.

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[Hekate]

Ok

 

[gomretat]

Sounds very easy. Wonder what DL is doing with his time.

 

[416Klawzz]

To me that means picks. First round picks primarily. And that's what I want.

Trade Burks and Favors. Trade Johnson and Bradley. Trade Rubio (chuckle). Heck, I want them around but Udoh, Sefalosha and Jerebko really shouldn't be off limits either. Let's face it, by the time we hope to be contending, those guys likely wouldn't be here anyway.

So let's get er done. I'd love to see us acquire two more 1sts before the deadline. This could give us the power to use our 11th pick, hypothetically speaking, to move up and get a beast in this draft to put alongside Mitchell and Gobert.

#endgreatthread

I agree but we keep Thabo, he is a keeper ...

 

[latin jazz]

This is shaping to be a top-heavy draft with 4 or 5 franchise players. In the past it's been extremely hard to move up when teams believe they could nab a franchise player. Remember Boston offering 4 1st to get Winslow and being rejected by Charlotte (to select Frank freakin Kaminsky)?

Moreover, it's unlikely we will get a 1st with the players you are mentioning. A team might still be intrigued by Exum and give us a non-lottery pick for him. Same goes for Hood who is an established player. No one is giving a 1st for Bradley, Burks, Jerebko, Joe Jesus or Udoh. Favors is also unlikely to yield a 1st, maybe a late one, which would be insufficient to move up in this draft.

I'm sure DL is looking to add assets or players that fit our team long-term. But it will take more than the players you are mentioning.

 

[fishonjazz]

This is shaping to be a top-heavy draft with 4 or 5 franchise players. In the past it's been extremely hard to move up when teams believe they could nab a franchise player. Remember Boston offering 4 1st to get Winslow and being rejected by Charlotte (to select Frank freakin Kaminsky)?

Moreover, it's unlikely we will get a 1st with the players you are mentioning. A team might still be intrigued by Exum and give us a non-lottery pick for Exum. Same goes for Hood who is an established player. No one is giving a 1st for Bradley, Burks, Jerebko, Joe Jesus or Udoh. Favors is also unlikely to yield a 1st, maybe a late one, which would be insufficient to move up in this draft.

I'm sure DL is looking to add assets or players that fit our team long-term. But it will take more than the players you are mentioning.

I like where your head is at Wes, but I think latin jazz is correct.
We aint getting into the top 5 of the draft unless we suck bad enough this season (possible)

 

[Kyoto]

Why trade Bradley? It's waaaay too early to trade the kid, let him cook

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[LoPo]

If you look at recent trends, we are about to trade one of our first rounders for a short term veteran.

Trade #1 - our 2016 1st for one year of Hill
Trade #2 - the OKC 2018 1st for 2 years of Rubio


Trade #3 coming soon - some future 1st of ours for 1.5 years of Mirotic

DL is brilliant..........

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[infection]

If you look at recent trends, we are about to trade one of our first rounders for a short term veteran.

Trade #1 - our 2016 1st for one year of Hill
Trade #2 - the OKC 2018 1st for 2 years of Rubio


Trade #3 coming soon - some future 1st of ours for 1.5 years of Mirotic

DL is brilliant..........

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We could only be so lucky.

 

[Et tu Brute]

I'm with this line of thinking.
Go after this draft hard.
People are acting like our pick can't be improved this year - but as you make clear, we can use acquired assets to get there.

I'm just not sure how you get those picks. No one ever mentions Ingles in these things and I think it's partly for the mistaken belief that he isn't worth much on the trade market and partly because people love him and just want him around.

But why couldn't Ingles get the interest of a playoff team? Cavs, Minny, Spurs (Manu 'replacement'), Rockets (definitely) etc. One of these teams might give up their 25-30 1st rounder.

Combine that with another low first for either Favors or Rubio or a couple of seconds and think about the offer being made.


Suppose as Wes surmizes that the Jazz own the 11th pick this year. They could offer up let's say:

11th (1st)
27th (1st - Rockets - Ingles)
28th (1st - Cavs - Favors)
40th (2nd - mystery team - Rubio) {A lot of research went into this }

for a top 6 pick.


Is the draft sufficiently deep from 7-12 for a team to drop down and take on the assets?

I mean shoot for the stars - we're halfway there er - whoa living on a........

 

[Miggs]

This is shaping to be a top-heavy draft with 4 or 5 franchise players. In the past it's been extremely hard to move up when teams believe they could nab a franchise player. Remember Boston offering 4 1st to get Winslow and being rejected by Charlotte (to select Frank freakin Kaminsky)?

Moreover, it's unlikely we will get a 1st with the players you are mentioning. A team might still be intrigued by Exum and give us a non-lottery pick for him. Same goes for Hood who is an established player. No one is giving a 1st for Bradley, Burks, Jerebko, Joe Jesus or Udoh. Favors is also unlikely to yield a 1st, maybe a late one, which would be insufficient to move up in this draft.

I'm sure DL is looking to add assets or players that fit our team long-term. But it will take more than the players you are mentioning.

To me it's a top 6-7. It's really top 6 (Doncic, Bamba, Porter, Ayton, Bagley, Young) and all it takes is one team in the top 6 to fall in love with someone else to make it a "top 7." If we have the 10th or 11th pick (which is where we're currently looking), I think it's possible to flip these guys into assets in order to move up just 3-5 picks. Hell, look how far we moved up to get Mitchell by just trading Lyles. And if we start shippng out guys, we should lose even more, at least in theory, giving us the possibility of perhaps getting the 8th or 9th pick before even trading up.

 

[LoPo]

I dont like tanking but I do like accumulating assets. You and Wes are right - we should be going for assets. We never know how we might improve once Gobert comes back.

Burks and our 2nd to NOLA for Asik, Ajinca and their lottery protected 1st

Use Favors to get Osman, Frye and Cleveland's 1st.

So we would have our pick around 7-10, NOLA's pick around 19 and Cleveland's around 25.

We will have Rubio's expiring we could use to trade up during the draft. Package Rubio, and a couple of our firsts to move up.

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[Miggs]

I know this is sacrilege but I'd also really consider trading Ingles and Udoh to the Sixers for their 1st and Amir Johnson. Udoh would be an upgrade imo (the Sixers are awful when Embiid's off the court because Johnson blows)...Ingles would deepen their shaky bench and give them options both defensively, along with Covington, and offensively at the 3 or 4.

The Sixers are sitting at the 14th pick right now I think. Maybe we'd get lucky and they'd slide and we'd get a top 12 pick out of that.

I don't know. Probably dumb. Maybe the Sixers would do it for Sefalosha and Udoh and a couple 2nds...

 

[Et tu Brute]

To me it's a top 6-7. It's really top 6 (Doncic, Bamba, Porter, Ayton, Bagley, Young) and all it takes is one team in the top 6 to fall in love with someone else to make it a "top 7." If we have the 10th or 11th pick (which is where we're currently looking), I think it's possible to flip these guys into assets in order to move up just 3-5 picks. Hell, look how far we moved up to get Mitchell by just trading Lyles.

I know this is sacrilege but I'd also really consider trading Ingles and Udoh to the Sixers for their 1st and Amir Johnson. Udoh would be an upgrade imo (the Sixers are awful when Embiid's off the court because Johnson blows)...Ingles would deepen their shaky bench and give them options both defensively, along with Covington, and offensively at the 3 or 4.

The Sixers are sitting at the 14th pick right now I think. Maybe we'd get lucky and they'd slide and we'd get a top 12 pick out of that.

I don't know. Probably dumb. Maybe the Sixers would do it for Sefalosha and Udoh and a couple 2nds...

I watch all their games, and you are dead right. They are desperately woeful (especially defensively when Embiid sits).

I think too often people aren't willing to give up quality to get quality. It's always about the art of the steal for many rationalizing trades. But truth be told, you're better off giving up a nice piece to acquire an asset that combined with some other asset(s) gets you a TROPHY!

Ingles should be considered a very tradeable piece - because he actually would be desirable and is good at basketball etc. BUT, losing Ingles would be a manageable risk - and would be justified if it meant giving oneself a shot at another star. This team has 2 very high end talented pieces. There are many teams that can't say that.

Go after a 3rd piece.... (and let Exum stay for now)...

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Gauging the market based on the lip service we get now...

1. There are a number of teams with expiring contracts that are willing to sell them for cap relief, a young player, and/or a draft pick
2. There are many teams that know they won't be competing with the elite teams so they are not anxious to sell their 1st round picks
3. There are many teams that don't have the best financial outlook moving forward so they are not willing to sell their 1st round picks
4. There are a number of teams that have quality players but they are not advancing so those players could be had for less
5. Teams and our board over value 1st round picks. I mean... really... year after year everyone complains about how we didn't get 'x' or 'y' player who fell 20 spots behind us... but we don't complain about how glad we are we didn't draft the 8 - 15 players that didn't change a franchise.
6. 1st round picks values shift in the market. Sometimes everyone wants them. Sometimes they are cheap.

The key here is to observe the market and use our assets to get the right type of players in that can fit our culture and build from it. We shouldn't be trading our own first rounders because DL has a knack for finding and developing talent. However, we also have to remember that MANY first rounders are not much better than Hood.

What ya'll want are more Donovan Mitchells! I concur. But, unless we can get a top 5 pick (currently probably very expensive) and get a lottery ball (which has only happened once in our history) I don't think we will get one. Realistically, Cleveland probably wants Favors, Hood, AND cap relief right now to make that trade happen. Come draft night a team like Denver might sell a pick or value relief more then.

Playing the market now... I would say Fournier would be a great grab if we can get him. It probably requires trading Hood and an expiring who may get more on the open market.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

If you look at recent trends, we are about to trade one of our first rounders for a short term veteran.

Trade #1 - our 2016 1st for one year of Hill
Trade #2 - the OKC 2018 1st for 2 years of Rubio

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2016 - We traded Taurean Prince for Hill. Hill looked like an All Star. Name me one player from that draft that could have been had from Taurean Prince and on that would have made our team better than Hill. Hill got greedy (which is a shame) but he FIT and was a difference maker. Taurean Freaking Prince could be had for a second rounder right now...

2018 - Rubio made a ton of sense then. He has really played poorly. Do you want a 25th pick for Rubio right now? Possibly depending on the draft. But appeasing Hayward, grabbing a starting point who showed signs of brilliance, and a point who had a reasonable contract? Most of us agreed with the move... especially after OKC got their big three.

It's fairly simple to look through the last 5 draft classes and find about 6 or 7 players taken after #25 that are role players in the league now. You can find a couple that are difference makers. But MOST TEAMS DON'T find that diamond in the rough after #25. So, if you want a chance at a role player for cheap vs. a finished product... then trade for the #27 and #28 picks. But if it were me... I would be looking for lottery picks. Combine TWO expirings and get a lottery pick. Don't sell off to two teams for high 1st rounders.

The best part of all of this is that most of you want to sell Bradley for peanuts. Remember... HE WAS A 1st ROUND PICK just 7 months ago.

 

[Ellipse]

But why couldn't Ingles get the interest of a playoff team? Cavs, Minny, Spurs (Manu 'replacement'), Rockets (definitely) etc. One of these teams might give up their 25-30 1st rounder.

Combine that with another low first for either Favors or Rubio or a couple of seconds and think about the offer being made.


Suppose as Wes surmizes that the Jazz own the 11th pick this year. They could offer up let's say:

11th (1st)
27th (1st - Rockets - Ingles)
28th (1st - Cavs - Favors)
40th (2nd - mystery team - Rubio) {A lot of research went into this }

for a top 6 pick.


Is the draft sufficiently deep from 7-12 for a team to drop down and take on the assets?

I mean shoot for the stars - we're halfway there er - whoa living on a........

Teams picking in the 25-30 range are hoping to find a solid rotational player. Ingles and Favors are solid rotational players, so yeah, they should be tradable for picks in that range. Since Favors becomes a FA this summer, then trading him for such a pick would be a good thing. However, we would be nuts to trade Ingles for such a high pick. The better use of Ingles would be to package his contract into some type of exchange to get that top 6 pick; that way, if the deal never pans out, we still have Ingles.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

To me that means picks. First round picks primarily. And that's what I want.

Trade Burks and Favors. Trade Johnson and Bradley. Trade Rubio (chuckle). Heck, I want them around but Udoh, Sefalosha and Jerebko really shouldn't be off limits either. Let's face it, by the time we hope to be contending, those guys likely wouldn't be here anyway.

So let's get er done. I'd love to see us acquire two more 1sts before the deadline. This could give us the power to use our 11th pick, hypothetically speaking, to move up and get a beast in this draft to put alongside Mitchell and Gobert.

#endgreatthread

So do you want to trade Burks or do you want to acquire assets?

 

[latin jazz]

To me it's a top 6-7. It's really top 6 (Doncic, Bamba, Porter, Ayton, Bagley, Young) and all it takes is one team in the top 6 to fall in love with someone else to make it a "top 7." If we have the 10th or 11th pick (which is where we're currently looking), I think it's possible to flip these guys into assets in order to move up just 3-5 picks. Hell, look how far we moved up to get Mitchell by just trading Lyles. And if we start shippng out guys, we should lose even more, at least in theory, giving us the possibility of perhaps getting the 8th or 9th pick before even trading up.

I agree with you that tanking hard would obviously increase our chances of landing a top prospect. That would be easier if we trade away a few productive players. However, you shouldn't expect 1st rounders coming our way, at least not for the players you mentioned. In order to acquire 1st rounders we might have to sacrifice some cap space and absorb a contract from a team in luxury tax hell (i.e. Portland, Cavs, Miami). This will remove us from being active players in the FA makert.

Trading up will be costly. If the number of franchise players available in the draft increases, so will the price to move up. I can imagine an scenario where moving up from 10 to 6 or 7 might require 3 1st rounders. Thus, the easier (and cheaper) path would be to tank.

Denver got fleeced. In a draft redo DM would be a top 3 pick.

 

[framer]

People WAYYY overvaluing a 25 to 30 pick. . .