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Yeah, I like Exum as a better cost-controlled option than Hood.
Nikola Mirotic
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Jack Strop
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Appropriate board name to bring this up.
Lindsey's task list:
1. Acquire late first from a contender for JJ or Favors.
2. Throw in that 1st + Favs or JJ to acquire Mirotic.
3. Call building maintenance. Install another toilet next to Hood's to accommodate Mirotic's apparent stomach problems.
4. Send asst GM to Costco to buy case of Imodium.
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When you figure he will get less and has more potential to exceed the contract value I agree... if costs were equal it is obviously a no.
The thing I keep going to with Hood is just not enough upside... If he gets 15-20M per year the best I think he does is live up to it... the worst is he can't stay on the court and regresses... the most likely outcome is that he plays like a $10M a year guy and continues to mildly disappoint but will show a flash every 12 games or so.
I'd do Hood for a pick, but if that isn't there I would understand giving him that money I guess. I would worry that he'd struggle with injuries and become a millstone for us at a time when we really can't carry a millstone.
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Cool thing with the Niko stuff is it presents a pivot point for us at a time when we need to pivot. I think we either pass and move towards a tank or get him and move the other direction.
Will be an interesting week or so.
Will be an interesting week or so.
For the past 4-5 days I think I've been hitting refresh on JF more than the past 5 years combined. If Monday rolls around and Mirotic lands somewhere else, I'm going to have a serious case of something. I'm sure there's a word for it. Maybe even two.
I'll be feeling pretty blue.
If that happens and the Jazz don't make their own moves I will feel an opportunity was wasted. It doesn't have to be Mirotic per say.
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I do think Niko is for sale, has some upside, and is such a good fit that if we can't find a way to make it work then it says something about how teams view our assets. Might also say something about how we value Bradley, Hood, future cap space, etc.
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I'll be disappointed if DL gives up too much. A lottery pick in this year's draft is too much. But thinking something will - Or has to - happen in 4 days might be unrealistic. Bulls may just keep shopping him until the deadline, hoping they get a 1st. They're not motivated by a need to clear cap space. And sure, there was the punch several months ago, but no reported trouble since. So no real need to accept less than they want.
At 25+M. I think you retain Mirotic at 18 or less, unless he explodes then that's a good problem to have. Jabari awfully risky.
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Lot of IF's. You may also want to include IF he is available for trade and IF Milwaukee doesn' want the farm for him. Also need to factor in cost. If Jabari wants the max is Utah better off getting Mirotic AND Fournier for the same overall cost. Jazz aren't going to pay the luxury tax - at least not for multiple years. They likely would have this year for Hayward, then made cuts next year.
I'd probably vote for a more balanced team rather than investing huge $ in a player who has had multiple injuries.
I don't get mad about not trading Favors for Aaron Gordon, or for not signing Kevin Durant, but is it wrong if I'm disappointed that we didn't (hypothetically) trade Favors and a first for Mirotic (that's on the table if we want it)? Was it wrong for me to be disappointed that we drafted Burks instead of Kawhi (that was on the table)? I'm not upset. I won't crucify them. I understand the sentiment that people criticize FOs for not making fantasy trades, but I think criticizing real world moves is fair game -- criticizing Rubio trade because even the entire fanbase knew it was a terrible trade, criticizing Raja Bell part II, etc. But, again, the operative word in my post was "disappointed." I'd be disappointed if Mirotic ends up somewhere else. Worst case scenario, I'd trade a first round pick for him. Maybe DL has better trades. Maybe DL thinks he's got another Tony Bradley prospect that he loves. I have no idea. I'm a human and being disappointed is perfectly normal.
I expect that the Bulls will end up receiving less than their asking price once when the inevitable Mirotic trade goes through. The Bulls don't have a lot of leverage in this situation. Mirotic has already stated that he wants out of Chicago. Trade interest in Mirotic around the NBA has been described by insiders as "tepid". The teams making offers have the advantage in negotiations.
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Trading one of our firsts for him is not a good deal.
I get that we disagree on that and have no beef with anyone taking that perspective. Does that mean I can't be disappointed?
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I think one area that people really underrate Exum's impact on a game is at the defensive end. He definitely slipped a little bit last year, but he has the potential to be a great defensive player at the second most important position for that (PG). If he can just continue what looked like a growing ability to hit a good percentage from 3 and threaten in the fast break that will make him a really valuable player already. Then if he can put it together in the PnR and half court game outside of that he'll be a huge value to winning. Rodney is a little bit more one dimensional than Dante. If he's not scoring he doesn't bring much to the table. I think guys like Exum are perpetually undervalued by fanbases because what they can contribute isn't always easily quantifiable like ppg or rebounds.
I'll just say that the Dante we were seeing in Pre-season would have a good argument to be better than Hood, and then you have to consider how much younger he is as well.
There is no way in hell that happens.
Damn straight. No way are we a lottery team.
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Of course, but my point is disappointment in a lack of a trade is funny to me when we have no idea what is and isn't on the table and what would and wouldn't be accepted. For instance, maybe the Bulls don't want a protected pick? Maybe no other team wants to give up a pick for Favors in a 3-way deal?
I don’t disagree but I think Chicago’s made it pretty clear what’s on the table — and the other two teams they’re “talking to” will have picks around 20.