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Jazz Have to Change Starting Lineup

The obvious fix is start Mitchell at point. Rubio is highly overrated. Hood is not doing well off the bench. Hm. This isn't complicated as it seems.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hood should be a 15 ppg scorer (at minimum) who is a 40% 3pt shooter and can run an efficient PNR. You dont just give up on that. He has more in him.
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I didn’t give up... I got something for it.

Put Ingles on the bench for 5 games cuz he looks tired as hell. Start Hood and see if it works when it doesn’t then trade him. Rubio handles the ball too much in the half court and I’m not sure between DM and Hood there will be enough to go around.

Honestly I don’t know that we’d for sure get a first for him right now.

We got issues.
 
I think you have to run the offense through Mitchell. He's too valuable to the offense to even think about sticking him in the corner for any amount of time. Rubio isn't respected as a shooter. Which is why he has these crazy inconsistent nights. When his shot is on and the other team doesn't respect that, he shoots well and scores plenty. When he's off and teams don't respect him.. well. That's the story most nights. 4 on 5.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I didn’t give up... I got something for it.

Put Ingles on the bench for 5 games cuz he looks tired as hell. Start Hood and see if it works when it doesn’t then trade him. Rubio handles the ball too much in the half court and I’m not sure between DM and Hood there will be enough to go around.

Honestly I don’t know that we’d for sure get a first for him right now.

We got issues.
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That's giving up. Hood has talent and skill. The Jazz need talent and skill. Can't just give up when things get rough. Put him in the starting lineup and let him build chemistry w/ Mitchell. There not being enough to go around is better than what it is currently, which is Mitchell and Hood separately having to force up too many bad shots.
 
The Jazz have really only one player who can consistently get his shot. That is Donovan which is a problem. It was laughable when Rubio would go up for a jump shot and the Indy player backed off and just went to get the rebound.

Another problem is the Jazz are starting players who should be bench players. JJ is not in shape nor is he the player he was even last year. Hood is unreliable with his shooting and really is useless if he can't make shots. Ingles should not be your starting SF. I love his passing but he is limited offensively. He also catches the virus from Hood about his shooting. Just shoot the ball Ingles. His best attribute is his passing and defense. I like O'neal and Udoh as back ups. So tonight the Jazz really showed how bad they are offensively. In a league where creating your shot and being able to make shots, the Jazz are failing big time. So my hope is that Utah makes a trade who can consistently shoot and create some offense. I would like the Jazz to make a trade that gets rid of some of the dead weight on the team. Draft some more player makers/scorers. People who think getting Rudy back will fix all the problems the Jazz are having need to clear off their jazz glasses and look at reality. Jazz are a very flawed team filled with guys are average at best.
 
Not sure it's as easy as benching Rubio. I'd send Ingles to the bench and bring Hood back, and stagger the rotation so that either one of Donovan or Hood is on the floor at pretty much all times.

Ingles is broken. He can't handle the 30+ mpg load and it's showing in his game. Looks lethargic, shot not falling, etc.

Plus, I like Mitchell playing off the ball still. We're already asking the world of him, I don't think we need to officially make him our primary ballhandler yet. Rubio can still handle that.
 
radiohegel said:
I wonder if that quip about tension bw coaching staff and management is actually concerning this, more than disagreements about possible trade options already on the table. DL could be asking Quin to try out some different rotations so he can get more data about who fits where in the long game.

I really have no basis for what I'm about to say, outside of my own wild speculation, but I could see Quin being the kind of guy who feels somewhat personally indebted in his relationships with his players. There was a lot of talk about how much he and Rubio were talking before the season, for example, and how it was really great for Ricky to finally have a coach who was invested in having a relationship. Perhaps Quin now feels like he'll be failing Ricky if he doesn't figure it out, etc. If something like that is the case, I could see how DL asking Quin to try Donovan at the point with Hood alongside him would create some high emotions. Same example could be applied elsewhere, but the Ricky relationship seems the most obvious.
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I must have been asleep at the wheel... What quip about tension?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
That's giving up. Hood has talent and skill. The Jazz need talent and skill. Can't just give up when things get rough. Put him in the starting lineup and let him build chemistry w/ Mitchell. There not being enough to go around is better than what it is currently, which is Mitchell and Hood separately having to force up too many bad shots.
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Whoever we draft will have talent and skill and be under a good contract.

It’s cashing in... sometimes it’s smart to move on. If we could get a pick I’d move on and wouldn’t worry about it biting me in the *** in this case. Dude has had plenty of time to show us... it’s getting worse.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Whoever we draft will have talent and skill and be under a good contract.

It’s cashing in... sometimes it’s smart to move on. If we could get a pick I’d move on and wouldn’t worry about it biting me in the *** in this case. Dude has had plenty of time to show us... it’s getting worse.
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It's not getting worse. This is still his best season yet. He has had great moments and long stretches of good play. People are being way too reactionary with Hood this season. I'm not saying he is Hayward at all, but I had to stave off the sensationalist takes on Hayward during his 4th year too.
 
If we call up Phoenix tomorrow and say Dudley and a second for Rubio would they say no?

It just feels like removing him removes many issues and I’m not sure it hurts us much.

Move Hood back into the starting lineup and see what we can do.

I don’t think we could get straight expirings for him but might be able to shave some dollars in a deal.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's not getting worse. This is still his best season yet. He has had great moments and long stretches of good play. People are being way too reactionary with Hood this season. I'm not saying he is Hayward at all, but I had to stave off the sensationalist takes on Hayward during his 4th year too.
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That’s fine I was on the right side of the Hayward argument too but there was so much more to work with there... it was basically if he makes a few more shots he’s an all star and worst case he’s a very good starter.

Hood is older and has so much less to his game. His defense and creation haven’t gotten better and he’s still streaky as hell. His defense seems to have dropped off but that might be a Gobert thing.

What Hood does well is replaceable... he’s better than what he’s been the last few games but the season is trending the wrong direction and he may end up being at or below his career averages when all is said and done.
 
cowhide said:
The Jazz have really only one player who can consistently get his shot. That is Donovan which is a problem. It was laughable when Rubio would go up for a jump shot and the Indy player backed off and just went to get the rebound.

Another problem is the Jazz are starting players who should be bench players. JJ is not in shape nor is he the player he was even last year. Hood is unreliable with his shooting and really is useless if he can't make shots. Ingles should not be your starting SF. I love his passing but he is limited offensively. He also catches the virus from Hood about his shooting. Just shoot the ball Ingles. His best attribute is his passing and defense. I like O'neal and Udoh as back ups. So tonight the Jazz really showed how bad they are offensively. In a league where creating your shot and being able to make shots, the Jazz are failing big time. So my hope is that Utah makes a trade who can consistently shoot and create some offense. I would like the Jazz to make a trade that gets rid of some of the dead weight on the team. Draft some more player makers/scorers. People who think getting Rudy back will fix all the problems the Jazz are having need to clear off their jazz glasses and look at reality. Jazz are a very flawed team filled with guys are average at best.
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Good post, but don't hate on me for being a Gobert believer. Rudy will fix all.
 
It's quite obvious at this point, but then again, Quin did not do the obvious by breaking up the Bermuda Triangle (Rubio-Favors-Gobert).

If I had to guess, it has to do with egos. There's no way Quin believes in his starting lineup, which is why he benches Rubio in the 4th. The only explanation I can come up with is that certain players have certain expectations/reputations and benching them might cause a larger issue within the team.
 
nateboz said:
The obvious fix is start Mitchell at point. Rubio is highly overrated. Hood is not doing well off the bench. Hm. This isn't complicated as it seems.

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uh i dunno, i don't think anyone rates Ricky all that highly
 
I would like to see a starting lineup of Rubio, Mitchell, Hood, Ingles and whoever is healthy at C (Gobert soon). Screw it, go small.

Let the bench be the bench. Figure out the starters first. Yes, our rebounding might suffer, but we need to create offensive flow more than worrying about rebounding. Ingles might be a major asset as a stretch 4 instead of mediocre as a starting SF. Hood should be okay as a SF.

Our FO not making moves coupled with Quin not changing anything is causing this frustration.

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Hood looked pretty bad for a stretch out there. I think he was 1-7 at one point but came back for an ok 6-14 night. He looks like hes pressing out there. I think we have to remember our offense is broken and I dont think its Rodneys fault. Even his open shots are on broken plays and not coming in rhythm. Rodney was a top ten guy out of the 2014 draft. Id like us to hold on to him and want to see what he can do in a working offense with tailored personnel.
 
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