NAOS
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There is a growing belief in league personnel circles that Utah could move swingman Rodney Hood befo
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Honestly would rather have Mirotic than Jabari. Much less expensive and risky.
No for me its an either or. Plus I dont think Jabari can play the 3. But I guess I could be wrong on that.
Mirotic is the better player right now. Jabari still has a bigger upside but also a bigger risk. Jabari also has a potentially longer contract and better ability to retain long term.
I would be happy with either player. I like Mirotic a lot. He is playing at an elite level right now. But I also would like to see Jazz take some bigger risk trades that have a high upside.
LoPo
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I think we should be targeting Mirotic AND Kemba. I mean, why not?
We orchestrate a 3 team deal to get Mirotic:
Favors to Cleveland
Mirotic to Utah
Expirings and the Cleveland 2018 1st to Chicago
Bulls get their 1st, Cleveland gets a big who helps them (more than Frye, Calderon, etc.) and we get Mirotic
Then we trade with Charlotte
Charlotte gets Rubio, Hood, Joe Johnson, our 2018 2nd and a future 2nd
Utah gets Kemba and one of their bad contracts (Kidd-Gilchrist OR Marvin Williams)
Hornets get a good player in Hood and out of one of their bad contracts. We get Kemba but have to take a bad contract.
2018-19
PG Kemba
SG Mitchell
SF Ingles
PF Mirotic
C Gobert
Bench: Exum, Jerekbo, Thabo, Neto, Bradley, Udoh, MKG, O'Neal, Burks, 2018 1st rounder.
2019-20
Jerekbo, Thabo, Udoh and Burks come off the books and we have to re-sign Mirotic, Walker and Neto.
2020-21
MKG comes off the books and we have to re-sign O'Neal.
We only are really concerned about the luxury in 2019 and possibly 2021 or 2022.
We orchestrate a 3 team deal to get Mirotic:
Favors to Cleveland
Mirotic to Utah
Expirings and the Cleveland 2018 1st to Chicago
Bulls get their 1st, Cleveland gets a big who helps them (more than Frye, Calderon, etc.) and we get Mirotic
Then we trade with Charlotte
Charlotte gets Rubio, Hood, Joe Johnson, our 2018 2nd and a future 2nd
Utah gets Kemba and one of their bad contracts (Kidd-Gilchrist OR Marvin Williams)
Hornets get a good player in Hood and out of one of their bad contracts. We get Kemba but have to take a bad contract.
2018-19
PG Kemba
SG Mitchell
SF Ingles
PF Mirotic
C Gobert
Bench: Exum, Jerekbo, Thabo, Neto, Bradley, Udoh, MKG, O'Neal, Burks, 2018 1st rounder.
2019-20
Jerekbo, Thabo, Udoh and Burks come off the books and we have to re-sign Mirotic, Walker and Neto.
2020-21
MKG comes off the books and we have to re-sign O'Neal.
We only are really concerned about the luxury in 2019 and possibly 2021 or 2022.
I would be pretty happy with those trades. The first one seems like a likely scenario. The second one I doubt we can get Kemba for Hood and taking back a bad contract while giving them a bad contract in Rubio. The 2nds are meaningless, we would have to give up our pick this year to get him. Maybe they would go for that trade with our first that we put a top 3 restriction on just in case we win the lottery.
I do really like Kemba but I think a Wing is a bigger priority than a PG personally. I think Mitchell and Exum can be our PG or our PG/SG combo if Exum develops.
LoPo
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Yeah, the 2nd one would be the first offer which I'm sure Charlotte counters. I think our best counter offer would be to offer Burks and take back Marvin. If we did that, Charlotte saves $3 million next year but an additional $15 million for 2019-20. If Charlotte uses Kemba to get a player like Hood and they also save $28 million in 2019, I think that's pretty valuable to them.
Hood and salary relief are not good enough to get an all-star player back. It will take that and a 1st round pick and even that might not be enough. You over value cap space.
LoPo
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This is an article from yesterday: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...-to-work-out-deal-with-knicks-for-star-guard/
Quote: "Charlotte is hoping a Walker trade returns a good young player or a first-round pick, per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The Knicks have first-round draft picks and a promising young player in Frank Ntilikina.
But the other part of Charlotte's request is a holdup for the Knicks. Wojnarowski reports that Charlotte appears eager to shed one of its less desirable contracts. That would mean the Knicks would likely need to take on extra salary to acquire Walker, ..."
So Charlotte wants either a young player OR a 1st plus shed some contracts. Does Hood qualify as a "young player"? Not sure. The article mentions Frank Ntilikina. If I was a Charlotte fan, I would be more intrigued by a proven but still young Duke product in Hood over an unknown like FN.
Frank is more valuable than Hood especially to a team that looks to be doing a reboot and probably tank. I am guessing it would take, Frank a 1st and taking back some bad salary for Knicks to get Kemba.
LoPo
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The article clearly says that Charlotte wants to shed contracts and NY is unwilling. If I was NY, I would trade their first, Ntilikina, Baker and Quinn to get back Walker. New York might actually become attractive again with Walker, HardawayJr,
I think Ntilikina is more valuable than Hood but my logic is that Charlotte is not getting a 1st and a good young player. They are more likely to get either AND future cap relief. I think we could be an option as we get to the deadline.
I dont really trust what rumors are about what teams are saying. Even if they are true they are just posturing. Take a look at what All-Star level players have been traded for.
Bledsoe is not as good as Kemba and he went for an expiring contract, 1st round pick and 2nd. Kemba will go for more than that.
Look at what Butler went for. I think Kemba is not quite as valuable as him but closer to that.