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Hood traded to Cleveland for Crowder; Johnson to Sacramento

JimLes said:
Let me guess. The guy who's averaged 8 PPG this season as opposed to the guy who's averaged 16?

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I asked a question. I’m not following your answer. Thanks.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And there are a lot of signs that he isn't done growing as a player.
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Is that why he gets hurt so much, because he is still growing?


I do think he can get better but he wont have to do as much this year next to Lebron, Love and even Hill. He can do the things he is good at like shooting and wearing suits every other game.
 
This is the best the Jazz could have done. Overpaying for Hood was not wise. Overpaying for a guy who sits out even a little injured, and who wasn’t that happy with his roll is exactly what you don’t want to walk into. The Jazz retained financial flexibility as well as a decent return for the situation that was about to unfold. Donovan took his spot, and I’m sure they are friendly with each other but this opens the door more fully to the fact this is Donovan and Rudy’s time, and you don’t have to worry about the other guys feelings getting hurt that what he expected didn’t turn into reality.

Our time with Hood ran its course when Donovan showed he was a franchise peice. I saw a quote from Donovan about his reaction to the trade. He was mature and professional and of course wished Joe and Rodney the best in their careers. I think in the coming years it would be wise to involve Donovan on decisions like this and explaining why you may make a move before it happens. The Jazz made the safer and more sure move today.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Most players dont blow up in their 4th year. It's usually a year of struggle in a bigger role, then you have the better season when you have learned from that experience.

All I know is that Jazz fans are extremely impatient and fickle with players. Just like people freaked about about Hayward's bad year in this 4th season, or when people freaked out about Rubio starting the year off slow, it seems fans rarely want to think about context.
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That's what happens when your the only game in town. Great points BTW. I like Crowder on Jazz. He fits in to the style of ball. Also another Down South Georgia Peach Hoopster! Favors can show him around town. Crowder is a very professional guy and a beard worker. Will be a fan favorite within 2 years. Perfect type of player to have with Mitchell in starting lineup. If Exum comes back the Jazz could actually be athletic at the 1 to 3 spots. When have the Jazz ever been able to say that? Not any time in Utah,maybe when they was in New Orleans!
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Most players dont blow up in their 4th year. It's usually a year of struggle in a bigger role, then you have the better season when you have learned from that experience.

All I know is that Jazz fans are extremely impatient and fickle with players. Just like people freaked about about Hayward's bad year in this 4th season, or when people freaked out about Rubio starting the year off slow, it seems fans rarely want to think about context.
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That's what happens when your the only game in town. Great points BTW. I like Crowder on Jazz. He fits in to the style of ball. Also another Down South Georgia Peach Hoopster! Favors can show him around town. Crowder is a very professional guy and a beard worker. Will be a fan favorite within 2 years. Perfect type of player to have with Mitchell in starting lineup. If Exum comes back the Jazz could actually be athletic at the 1 to 3 spots. When have the Jazz ever been able to say that? Not any time in Utah,maybe when they was in New Orleans!
 
oneye said:
This is the best the Jazz could have done. Overpaying for Hood was not wise. Overpaying for a guy who sits out even a little injured, and who wasn’t that happy with his roll is exactly what you don’t want to walk into. The Jazz retained financial flexibility as well as a decent return for the situation that was about to unfold. Donovan took his spot, and I’m sure they are friendly with each other but this opens the door more fully to the fact this is Donovan and Rudy’s time, and you don’t have to worry about the other guys feelings getting hurt that what he expected didn’t turn into reality.

Our time with Hood ran its course when Donovan showed he was a franchise peice. I saw a quote from Donovan about his reaction to the trade. He was mature and professional and of course wished Joe and Rodney the best in their careers. I think in the coming years it would be wise to involve Donovan on decisions like this and explaining why you may make a move before it happens. The Jazz made the safer and more sure move today.
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Lmao. Feelings get hurt? Sure but they are paid they can get over it.
 
http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider...ll-trade-grades-cavaliers-jazz-kings-deal-nba

Trade Grades by Kevin Pelton(Cavs got B+, SAC got B):

Utah Jazz: B
The going theory entering the season was that Hood would play a leading role after Gordon Hayward's departure. Indeed, he'd increased his usage rate to a career-high 27 percent of the Jazz's possessions while also posting a career-best .550 true shooting percentage.

Nonetheless, rookie Donovan Mitchell emerged as Utah's post-Hayward go-to guy, and the two players didn't fit together well. Mitchell was both using more plays and scoring more efficiently with Hood on the bench, per NBA Advanced Stats, and the Jazz were playing far better with Mitchell alone.

Part of the problem is that Hood's defensive advanced stats have never matched his reputation as a long-limbed, versatile wing defender. Hood gets relatively few steals for a guard and is a mediocre defensive rebounder, so his defensive rating in ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM) has typically been poor. This season, Utah had given up a team-worst 107.7 defensive rating with Hood on the court, though opponent 3-point shooting exacerbated Hood's detrimental effect on D.

So moving on from Hood before he became more expensive as a restricted free agent made sense. The decision Utah faced was whether to deal Hood for draft picks, or add an established player using Johnson's expiring contract. I like adding a player because the Jazz would have had a tough time clearing appreciable cap space this summer, and Crowder is an excellent buy-low candidate.

Though much has been made of Crowder's lofty RPM rating in Boston, he was a plus player by other all-in-one statistics as well. My wins above replacement player (WARP) metric rated him a combined 12 wins better than replacement level over the past two seasons, while Basketball-Reference.com's box plus-minus rated him 2.8 points per 100 possessions better than league average in 2015-16 and 1.6 better last season. His decline in Cleveland goes far beyond RPM.

Crowder has simply been a weaker player across the board this season, worse even than he played during his first two-plus seasons with the Dallas Mavericks. Odds are that won't continue, and indeed Crowder's shooting has started to come around after a frigid start. Since Jan. 1, per Basketball-Reference.com Crowder's true shooting percentage is .562, similar to what he posted two years ago before career-best 3-point shooting fueled an improvement in 2016-17.

The lingering question is why Crowder hasn't been the same defensive contributor. Despite playing primarily at power forward as a Cavalier, he's grabbing a career-low 10.8 percent of available defensive rebounds, and his steal rate has been way down the last two seasons. If the Jazz get the defender we saw with the Celtics, a contract paying Crowder less than the non-taxpayer midlevel exception is a steal.
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