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Looks like Kanter or PG

Hotttnickkk said:
You can have BOTH!

Pick Kanter @ #3
Pick Fredette @ #12

Fredette is a heady player who has ice in his veins, can shoot lights out from 3pt with unlimited range. Plus, we have Hayward to help do a lot of playmaking and ball handling - we don't need another PG who will be a ball hog. We need a PG who can shoot.

A fit for Jazz's system
Who would you rather have to run the Jazz's system - a Billups type player - composed, calm, big enough to set screens, can knock down the 3pt when called upon. Or - a Westbrook type player - athletic (granted), but at times erratic and turnover prone (*cough* Knight *cough*).

Comparison to Billups
As I've said in other threads, I see Fredette as being a Billups type player and Billups is at least his ceiling. Billups isn't overly athletic, he doesn't play above the rim, he doesn't make flashy pass. But who he does bring is stability, runs the team, and makes his living making 3pts. Opponents respect his 3pt which enables him to make plays for others.
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Your comparison of Billups and Jimmer is a joke. Billups is bigger, more physical, better ball handler and passer. Jimmer is the better shooter. Billups is great at running the team and creating for other player's while keeping control of the tempo. Jimmer has shown that he is really good at making a shot for himself. I have yet to see good passing or an ability to control the tempo of a game. Billups uses his size as a PG to post smaller PG's and look over them to see opening in the defense.

The only similarity I see at all is that they both have a tendency to throw up bad shots quite often. Jimmer's go in more than Billups' do but that does not make it a good shot. Jimmer has a ways to go to show he can even be a decent role player on an NBA team. Ball handling, controlling the game, and passing are 3 skills a PG needs that Jimmer is going to have to improve a great deal on to be anything close to Billups. Even if he does they will still be far different because of the size and the way Billups uses that size to his advantage.

Anybody who would indicate in any way that they would rather have Jimmer over Knight serously needs to get away from happy valley for a while and visit the outside world. I don't even really want night and unless we get Irving don't really want any of the PG's in this years draft.
 
gregbroncs said:
Your comparison of Billups and Jimmer is a joke. Billups is bigger, more physical, better ball handler and passer. Jimmer is the better shooter. Billups is great at running the team and creating for other player's while keeping control of the tempo. Jimmer has shown that he is really good at making a shot for himself. I have yet to see good passing or an ability to control the tempo of a game. Billups uses his size as a PG to post smaller PG's and look over them to see opening in the defense.

The only similarity I see at all is that they both have a tendency to throw up bad shots quite often. Jimmer's go in more than Billups' do but that does not make it a good shot. Jimmer has a ways to go to show he can even be a decent role player on an NBA team. Ball handling, controlling the game, and passing are 3 skills a PG needs that Jimmer is going to have to improve a great deal on to be anything close to Billups. Even if he does will still be far different because of the size and the way Billups uses that size to his advantage.
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Billups is like what, a 1/2 inch taller than Jimmer?
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Billups is like what, a 1/2 inch taller than Jimmer?
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Billups is listed at 6-3 without shoes

Jimmer is 6'0.75 without shoes.

according to draft express

2.25 inches and Billups uses his size and physicality inside to punish other PG's. I have not seen much of that from Jimmer and that is against college PG's.

Do you think Billups is a good comparison to Jimmer?
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Also, I would argue Jimmer has a better handle than Billups.
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I would like to see Jimmer be able to make passes off of the dribble more to say that. Jimmer can dribble into traffic and make shot for himself but to me part of ball handling is positioning for passes before getting yourself into trouble.

And I don't think that Jimmer is better with the ball than Billups. Jimmer had more to/game in college than Billups has ever had in a single season in the NBA.
 
Billups was never a quick-first-step guy. He'd stagger-step and get his opponent on his shoulder in order to get into the lane.

I think there is some comparison between Billups and Fredette offensively, but not defensively. Defensively, Jimmer is more in the Mike Bibby camp...if that.
 
gregbroncs said:
I would like to see Jimmer be able to make passes off of the dribble more to say that. Jimmer can dribble into traffic and make shot for himself but to me part of ball handling is positioning for passes before getting yourself into trouble.

And I don't think that Jimmer is better with the ball than Billups. Jimmer had more to/game in college than Billups has ever had in a single season in the NBA.
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Don't you make the room for the possibility for Fredette to improve? If he could be anywhere near the level of Billups I think for the #12 pick that would be a steal in this draft.

What more - he's more likely to stick around Utah and we all know that can't be a bad thing!
 
gregbroncs said:
Billups is listed at 6-3 without shoes

Jimmer is 6'0.75 without shoes.

according to draft express

2.25 inches and Billups uses his size and physicality inside to punish other PG's. I have not seen much of that from Jimmer and that is against college PG's.

Do you think Billups is a good comparison to Jimmer?
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I think its an OK comparison. He doesn't have to be just like him to make a comparison. He might have quite the height of Billups, but he definitely has Billups like strength.
 
JohnStockalypse said:
Hopefully they're dumb enough to think that's Kanter. Or anyone other than Williams, really.
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I don't really mind either, as long as it's not Knight. They both have pros and cons.

Cons
- Williams - could he play SF? Is his attitude right for the Jazz & Utah community?
- Kanter - high risk high reward. Could he play Center?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I don't really mind either, as long as it's not Knight. They both have pros and cons.

Cons
- Williams - could he play SF? Is his attitude right for the Jazz & Utah community?
- Kanter - high risk high reward. Could he play Center?
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That is the stupidest con in the world. Just because he is confident in himself, not afraid to say he is good, and black means he can't live in Utah?
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
That is the stupidest con in the world. Just because he is confident in himself, not afraid to say he is good, and black means he can't live in Utah?
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Well we have to consider whether he would want to re-sign with us. See what Dirk & Dallas can do.

Do you want someone who would want to leave any chance he gets?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Well we have to consider whether he would want to re-sign with us. See what Dirk & Dallas can do.

Do you want someone who would want to leave any chance he gets?
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You draft who ever you think the best player is. I mean, I can see not drafting someone if he clearly said "I will not play for Utah". Derrick Williams hasn't even hinted at having a bias as to where he wants to go. He wants to go as high as possible because he feels he is the best player in the entire draft. You draft him, and hopefully he likes it here enough to stay after his rookie contract is up. If not, oh well.
 
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