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This is another backdoor I've seen people use when they push back against a request not to say "retard." I must not have a sense of humor if I'm pushing back against this. I'm not a humorless person in general. But I am very humorless about this.

I appreciate that you won't say the word around here any more. I hope you'll consider erasing it from your vocab altogether.

I rarely say retard in real life. I know how taboo it is. My dad was a QMRP for 35 years (qualified mental retardation professional.) However, in this context, I don't feel bad about using a line from a comedy movie. My moral compass isn't so high.
 
Except that both of those players can shoot or make a FT. So he is more comparable to Malone without the work ethic as a rookie. Or the player his rookie stats most align with MCW according to any independent stats match making.
Gawd damn it, RM. You made me Archie this thread.


I give up.
 
I rarely say retard in real life. I know how taboo it is. My dad was a QMRP for 35 years (qualified mental retardation professional.) However, in this context, I don't feel bad about using a line from a comedy movie. My moral compass isn't so high.
Archie, I understand what you're saying too. I rarely if ever use it myself. But we should have the freedom to use whatever words we choose, just be sensitive about who you are saying them to, like you don't say to a woman, you have a really nice c..t, unless you're with some kinky lady who gets off on such things -- btw, I never use that word, except maybe in private when I get really angry and no one is around.
 
See, Life, you misunderstand what I'm saying. You know, for three years, I worked with developmentally disabled people. And I was damn good at it -- in fact, I won an award one of those years for my work. Of course, I wouldn't use the word in that setting, among people in that community. The point I was making is that people need the freedom to use whichever word they wish depending on context.

People do have the freedom to use whichever word, for the most part, depending on context. I'm not trying to pass a law about this. I'm making a request in the name of human decency. There's no legal coercion or threat of force going on here.

The people on this board aren't developmentally disabled, though sometimes you might wonder.

You don't know what abilities/disabilities people on this board have, nor do you know if they care for someone with disabilities.

It's just a word and in certain contexts, you need to be sensitive about using it.

There's really no good reason why it needs to be said as an insult, ever, actually. Nothing is "just a word," either. Otherwise, you wouldn't be fighting so hard for the "right" (that no one is trying to deny you) to use it.

You don't call a black person you don't know a ******, but if you're best buds with that person and have known them for many years, then damn straight you can him a ****** and vice-versa, and it won't change anything between you.

Actually, no, I don't.

A lot depends on context. The point about political correctness is that we need to get beyond that, we need to be able use words however we want, and in a truly egalitarian society, people will realize it's a just an insult, a person venting, but not take it so seriously. Words are just words, and we shouldn't let them hurt us. Ok, so I don't like Thee Jazz Fan calling me an idiot, but I'm used to it now because he's an idiot too.

In a truly egalitarian society, people would inherently recognize that human dignity precludes using someone's disability as a way to insult them or someone else, actually. I don't now what kind of utopia you're envisioning where people go around happily calling each other the N word and R word for the hell of it, but that's not the good world I have in mind.

Now that we're on the subject, you mention "idiot." "Idiot" is an interesting example of language shift. That word has changed meaning over the decades/centuries. Originally, it was used to refer to people with intellectual disabilities, almost in a scientific sense. Doctors and legislators would talk about "idiots" in a technical sense. Between the 19th and 20th centuries "idiot" became more of a slur because people used it that way. So the medical establishment came up with a more "progressive" word, something more technical. "Mental retardation" became the preferred polite and technical way to talk about disabilities. Over time, that term was also co-opted as an insult. Later in the early 20th century "moron" became the technical term, and like idiot before it, it was co-opted. The preferred terminology today is "intellectual disability."

Maybe decades from now the word "retard" will become as disconnected from disabilities as the word "idiot" has. We're not there, though, which is why I ask people (not legislate) that they consider not using that word. So maybe someday the R word, or even the N word, will become so remote from the present, the original meaning of it will become so forgotten, that people will go around using those words in a completely different happy sense than we do today. But you and I will never live long enough to see that.
 
People do have the freedom to use whichever word, for the most part, depending on context. I'm not trying to pass a law about this. I'm making a request in the name of human decency. There's no legal coercion or threat of force going on here.



You don't know what abilities/disabilities people on this board have, nor do you know if they care for someone with disabilities.



There's really no good reason why it needs to be said as an insult, ever, actually. Nothing is "just a word," either. Otherwise, you wouldn't be fighting so hard for the "right" (that no one is trying to deny you) to use it.



Actually, no, I don't.



In a truly egalitarian society, people would inherently recognize that human dignity precludes using someone's disability as a way to insult them or someone else, actually. I don't now what kind of utopia you're envisioning where people go around happily calling each other the N word and R word for the hell of it, but that's not the good world I have in mind.

Now that we're on the subject, you mention "idiot." "Idiot" is an interesting example of language shift. That word has changed meaning over the decades/centuries. Originally, it was used to refer to people with intellectual disabilities, almost in a scientific sense. Doctors and legislators would talk about "idiots" in a technical sense. Between the 19th and 20th centuries "idiot" became more of a slur because people used it that way. So the medical establishment came up with a more "progressive" word, something more technical. "Mental retardation" became the preferred polite and technical way to talk about disabilities. Over time, that term was also co-opted as an insult. Later in the 20th century and through today, "intellectual disability" became the preferred nomenclature. Maybe decades from now the word "retard" will become as disconnected from disabilities as the word "idiot" has. We're not there, though, which is why I ask people (not legislate) that they consider not using that word.

I don't agree with you; it smacks of censorship. It's like euphemism. And as you have noted, the meaning of words evolve. Why do we have to sugar coat our words. Isn't this what Lenny Bruce and George Carlin were talking about. Yes, I agree we need to be sensitive to the audience and person when we use those word, but they are just words, and in fact, I never use the word, ******. But to my surprise a lot of black people use the word among themselves.
 
Did you pay yourself on the back for this diatribe? Make sure you never use idiot, moron or lame in any online or in person discourse.

I address "idiot" and "moron" above, both of which have fallen away so far from their original meaning that most everyone uses them unawares. I don't say "lame," though, you're right. Why not be ore precise in my language? Experiment, be creative with language.

And yes, I "pay myself on the back" for this diatribe...
 
Archie, I understand what you're saying too. I rarely if ever use it myself. But we should have the freedom to use whatever words we choose, just be sensitive about who you are saying them to, like you don't say to a woman, you have a really nice c..t, unless you're with some kinky lady who gets off on such things -- btw, I never use that word, except maybe in private when I get really angry and no one is around.

Man im forever using the c word, although Australians often do, sometimes for the sake of the ladies at work we say paddlepop instead (its an ice cream) and think about having a lick.
 
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