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I'm so anti-establishment that I murdered my parents, all my siblings and their children, and my entire family that went along just to get along. Now I'm left with me, myself, and I, and a poker game or two a year. **** THE MAN! Especially the poker game man! Who is he to think he can create a cult of rules that I have to follow? I play poker how I want to play poker. Screw the rules!!!11111111!1!1 I'm independent thinker!

yes, you like to pretend to be a bad boy. A really bad boy. I have a brother just like you.

In every family, 4 out of five children will become "fishers of fudge", but only one will actually intend to destroy the toilet. Let alone use that concept as a handle in social media.

Such is the life of the everyday housewife, with kids, who chooses to avoid the immediate implications of life, and chooses to read romance novels instead. I know a few of these, and one who goes one step further, and writes the damn romance novels.

But you are about as far removed from being a JFC cultie as you could get. I give you an A+ and graduate you from my program as this year's valedicktorian. And that's not a spelling error. I'm sure I'll have to override the spell check program to make the point.
 
What's the common set of beliefs or presumptions?

So I've been doing some serious thinking about your question. I think I captured the essence of it in one of my responses above.... the one about some people's delusions of understanding fundamental truth.

This, I think, really does fully explain you, and a lot of other folks. And, I'm afraid, even me.

We are, as a species, the moths who flutter around the light bulb of Universal Truth. But it's too hot for us. If we get too close, we fry.

And that is why we must never let the "progressives" get their damn fists closed on the nuclear button of our world government. They will destroy the toilet. They will make human life extinct, in spirit if not in fact.
 
So I've been doing some serious thinking about your question. I think I captured the essence of it in one of my responses above.... the one about some people's delusions of understanding fundamental truth.

I would agree that, outside of some very basic stuff like "other people exist", there are very few fundamental truths. I fully admit that I have a set of principles that I argue for (with varying degrees of vigor and tenacity), but I try to recognize that my values are not fundamental truths, but choices I make based upon my interpretation of the world.
 
So I've been doing some serious thinking about your question. I think I captured the essence of it in one of my responses above.... the one about some people's delusions of understanding fundamental truth.


We are, as a species, the moths who flutter around the light bulb of Universal Truth. But it's too hot for us. If we get too close, we fry.

And that is why we must never let the "progressives" get their damn fists closed on the nuclear button of our world government. They will destroy the toilet. They will make human life extinct, in spirit if not in fact.


Good points, but I'm not sure this applies to the vast majority. This, I think, really does fully explain OB but not you and most other folk. And, I'm afraid, maybe even me to some extent.

My opinion is that a large driver of happiness is derived from some sort of cult mentality - religion, region, family tradition, and way of life. I'm a Westerner so it's clearly noticeable in my demeanor on certain topics such as overly burdensome gun control. My immediate instinct is to resort to some form of "You can kiss my country ***", even though I realize there is a place for regulation, risks, that guns arent saving anybody from internal government abuse, etc.

However, I found that leaving the cultish lifestyle for independent thinking to be a hollow. Belief in "this is the way it should be" or "this is the way it is" is a driver for people to strive for, and humanity needs that for the most part, IMO. Animal instinct drives this same behavior for survival, so if you want to look at it from a science/evolutionary perspective you'll see a possible relic.

As far as cult goes here, Jazzfanz GD and America has sliwly been losing touch with this is how life is. I hypothesize that the widespread loss of religion leads people to search for a new cause to fight for to fill that void of meaning to life.
 
It's still a huge undertaking to create universal-scale library of values/facts/principles/whatevers of preferred cognitive setpoints that will make the world "good" or "better".

The utopian visions of mankind, created in the midst of what some philosophers might rightly characterize as a "toilet" filled with human refuse, are indeed staggering. Christians with visions of a truly righteous King or almighty God who holds the key to all that could be praised.... Islamists with a vision of a God who simply demands compliance and is willing to destroy all infidels, or reward those who will do it for him.....Corporatists with visions of world order fancifully considered "new".... or nationalists like Russia's Gogol with ideals of local order considered exemplary..... scientists with dreams of a universal theory of everything....

But go ahead. Give it a whirl.

A man's reach should exceed his grasp.

I just think we should realize the danger of having anything our own way.....
 
As far as cult goes here, Jazzfanz GD and America has sliwly been losing touch with this is how life is. I hypothesize that the widespread loss of religion leads people to search for a new cause to fight for to fill that void of meaning to life.

Among those wired to fight for causes, anyhow.
 
Among those wired to fight for causes, anyhow.

That's exactly the problem many have with progressives. We've gotten to the point where we progress for progress sake in exchange of the old mantra if it isn't broke don't fix it. Engineers have been doing this for a while now with computer systems. They're wired to make things better and get bored, so they change programs that function perfectly fine and invent new ones.

Warren Buffet calls this type of stuff "Institutional Dynamics", with an explanation that once you have an institution it will always and forever try to expand regardless of need or want.

That's what many have an issue with without realizing exactly why: when do we simply decide it's good enough? Never. Those who are wired to fight for causes, as you put it, seem to tend to not stop regardless of how irrational they come across. There will always be another cause found to fill their void. There intentions are good, but the road to hell is paved on gold (and filled with Idaho drivers).
 
I hypothesize that the widespread loss of religion leads people to search for a new cause to fight for to fill that void of meaning to life.

I agree with this statement and I think this is the reason why the world in general is trending towards a much better place.

People are starting to actually care about making a difference and creating a better place because that is what they want for themselves, their kids and the people around them. Instead of doing something because they follow some arbitrary list of rules that they try to force everyone to fit in with. Religion tends to be a more negative effect on the world these days. It has served some purpose in organizing people towards something but those days are long gone. Hopefully more people stop becoming religious and those that remain religious start to see more and more that they can coexist with other beliefs and dont need to get laws and other people to fit in with their beliefs.
 
I agree with this statement and I think this is the reason why the world in general is trending towards a much better place.

People are starting to actually care about making a difference and creating a better place because that is what they want for themselves, their kids and the people around them. Instead of doing something because they follow some arbitrary list of rules that they try to force everyone to fit in with. Religion tends to be a more negative effect on the world these days. It has served some purpose in organizing people towards something but those days are long gone. Hopefully more people stop becoming religious and those that remain religious start to see more and more that they can coexist with other beliefs and dont need to get laws and other people to fit in with their beliefs.

Why is egalitarianism and humanism any less arbitrary than other systems of ethics?
 
Why is egalitarianism and humanism any less arbitrary than other systems of ethics?

Yes, I believe that they are less arbitrary. They are a much less rigid system and no real rules. I think trying to make things around you better is an actual reason to do something. Not drinking coffee because its in a book and will get you into heaven is much more of a whim and without real meaning to me.
 
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