Exum Contract Option

[Handlogten's Heros]

Couldn't find a good thread to throw this in... apologies.

One contract option with Dante that I hadn't considered is the contract structure Alan Williams got in Phoenix. He got a 3 year deal with the second year unguaranteed. If they don't pick it up they only pay him for the one year.

I want max flexibility in 2019. My big hesitation on Dante is that if he sustains another injury he would be untradeable. The Dante haters can say what they like, but he will get offers around the MLE (4/36).

What if we offered Dante 3/36... first year starting at $13M, Second year (unguaranteed) 12M, third year 11M

So both years 2-3 fall under the unguarantee... and if he disappoints we can cut him with no future salary. Gives us more salary flexibility... he gets a one year overpay and if he stays healthy he's a good value. Not sure that is enough for him to pass on LT security, but you gotta believe he believes in himself.

Just an interesting wrinkle I was thinking of.

 

[One Brow]

One contract option with Dante that I hadn't considered is the contract structure Alan Williams got in Phoenix. He got a 3 year deal with the second year unguaranteed. If they don't pick it up they only pay him for the one year.

Perhaps the CBA has changed, but last I heard, on a 3-year deal the first 2 years have to be guaranteed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Perhaps the CBA has changed, but last I heard, on a 3-year deal the first 2 years have to be guaranteed.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/alan-williams-18820/

This deal was signed last year. Unguaranteed second year... with a third year after.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

If Exum would take it, then it's a great option for the Jazz.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Couldn't find a good thread to throw this in... apologies.

One contract option with Dante that I hadn't considered is the contract structure Alan Williams got in Phoenix. He got a 3 year deal with the second year unguaranteed. If they don't pick it up they only pay him for the one year.

I want max flexibility in 2019. My big hesitation on Dante is that if he sustains another injury he would be untradeable. The Dante haters can say what they like, but he will get offers around the MLE (4/36).

What if we offered Dante 3/36... first year starting at $13M, Second year (unguaranteed) 12M, third year 11M

So both years 2-3 fall under the unguarantee... and if he disappoints we can cut him with no future salary. Gives us more salary flexibility... he gets a one year overpay and if he stays healthy he's a good value. Not sure that is enough for him to pass on LT security, but you gotta believe he believes in himself.

Just an interesting wrinkle I was thinking of.

If a guy is in demand as a RFA, you’ll never see non-guaranteed years as a result. Based on Dante’s upside, I’d be shocked if he couldn’t put together a better contract offer than one year - $13 million.

I think you could possibly see a 2nd year player option, 3rd year team option type of deal. . . but you’re not going to see him take a bad contract offer that puts all the onus on him to stay healthy and perform. He’s either going to take the QO, or the best long-term or player friendly deal that he can get.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If a guy is in demand as a RFA, you’ll never see non-guaranteed years as a result. Based on Dante’s upside, I’d be shocked if he couldn’t put together a better contract offer than one year - $13 million. I think you could possibly see a 2nd year player option, 3rd year team option type of deal. . . but you’re not going to see him take a bad contract offer that puts all the onus on him to stay healthy and perform. He’s either going to take the QO, or the best long-term or player friendly deal that he can get.

Maybe... but let's say the best offers are 4/36 and the offer I laid out. If he takes the 4/36 he gets less upfront and is a FA a year later (if both deals go to completion). If he believes in himself and his health then he might not hesitate to take the offer.

It might have to be bigger... like 3/40 with declining so he gets $14.5 upfront and 13.3, 12.5 on the final two years. If he believes he's worth more than MLE and wants to bet on himself it is better than taking the QO and provides us some upside if he outperforms the contract. If he stays healthy and plays meh and we decline... he still might get 4-8M per year from another team.

I appreciate the responses and you may very well be right.

 

[MVP]

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What if we offered Dante 3/36... first year starting at $13M, Second year (unguaranteed) 12M, third year 11M
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Dante would be stupid not to take it as it is 2X more as he is currently worth.

 

[One Brow]

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/alan-williams-18820/

This deal was signed last year. Unguaranteed second year... with a third year after.

Not knowing the terms of the deal, that could easily be approximately $3M guaranteed, and $3M conditional, on both the first and second year, with the conditions being judged as 'likely to be met', so engendering a full cap hit on the non-guaranteed money those two years.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not knowing the terms of the deal, that could easily be approximately $3M guaranteed, and $3M conditional, on both the first and second year, with the conditions being judged as 'likely to be met', so engendering a full cap hit on the non-guaranteed money those two years.

There is another article that indicates the final two years are unguaranteed... not sure how reliable they are. From what I understand they can decline and the last two years are off the books.

there is another version of a deal we could do, but it involves waiving and stretching him if he gets hurt... limits the 2019 impact, but shaves flexibility for the next few years.

If Exum gets a multi year offer... his next deal is either a homerun or a whiff imo. I'd love to build flexibility into it if possible.

 

[One Brow]

There is another article that indicates the final two years are unguaranteed... not sure how reliable they are. From what I understand they can decline and the last two years are off the books.

there is another version of a deal we could do, but it involves waiving and stretching him if he gets hurt... limits the 2019 impact, but shaves flexibility for the next few years.

If Exum gets a multi year offer... his next deal is either a homerun or a whiff imo. I'd love to build flexibility into it if possible.

There can be only one option year:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q57

 

[SCS]

What's the possible problem with just giving him a guaranteed 8 mill per year? Other than possible injury. What would our cap situation in 2019 look like with him on a 8 mill salary?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What's the possible problem with just giving him a guaranteed 8 mill per year? Other than possible injury. What would our cap situation in 2019 look like with him on a 8 mill salary?

We'd have about $40M in capspace once we waive Ricky's caphold and assuming we don't use our MLE and don't re-sign Favs. If Ricky's caphold stays we'd have $18M.

Nothing wrong as long as he's healthy and tradeable. Becomes an issue if we want to keep Ricky and sign a blue chip FA.