Following Potential 2018 Draftees

[idiot]

Omari Spellman

What I’m buying:

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• Shot (both long shots and opportunistic post game)
  
• Team-first approach
  
• Likelihood of developing into an adequate defender – I waver on this, but think if he can keep his weight down, he’ll get there. But likely not much of a shotblocker.
  
• Motor – close, but I think he gets there.

What I’m not buying:

• Power forward – I really want to imagine a slimmed down Spellman with the ability to guard out on the floor, hit the three, and abuse smaller players in the post who get switched on to him. But I just can’t get myself to believe it. He’s a backup, stretch 5 in the best-case scenario.
  
• Playmaking – he could end up as an adequate passer, but I don’t see him putting much pressure on the defense.
  
• Toughness

 

[idiot]

Josh Okogie

What I’m buying:

• Strength/length – especially defensively.
  
• Ability to get to the rim – though I’m much less confident in his ability to finish.

What I’m not buying:

• Functional vertical athleticism – I didn’t see much of the vertical game that we might expect from someone of his length/leaping/strength.
  
• Motor – seemed to run hot and cold a bit, though a strong defender when on.
  
• Shot creator – can get to rim at times, but I wouldn’t expect him to be much of a secondary playmaker.

 

[stitches]

I'm still watching prospects so it probably won't be the final big board, but here we go. My big board as of first week of June:

For the record I had to ignore everything I saw from Porter Jr this season and rely strictly on what I've seen before this year, because I don't think that what we saw was representative. Also, because we don't have the medicals of players, I also am assuming good health and ranking them with the assumption that Porter Jr for example wouldn't be hindered by his injury in his long-term development. It's probably not fair, and I understand people who drop him because of health and because of how he looked in the few games he played after returning to play this year, but I do like him best form this draft if he's healthy.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Bradley is a quick jumper unlike the Collins twins. He rebounds well and does block shots. He has a go to move on offense. His jump push shot is money. He just can't jump high. He also has a nice touch on his jump shot. I am very excited about what he can become.

Lmao.

He doesn’t rebound well. He gets what falls to him. 1.3 blocks per is below average for his measurable’s. Collins had very good touch out to 15 feet. I’m not buying this so-called cooked up excitement you are selling.


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[seattlejazzfan]

I'm still watching prospects so it probably won't be the final big board, but here we go. My big board as of first week of June:

For the record I had to ignore everything I saw from Porter Jr and rely strictly on what I've seen before this year, because I don't think that what we saw was representative. Also, because we don't have the medicals of players, I also am assuming good health and ranking them with the assumption that Porter Jr for example wouldn't be hindered by his injury in his long-term development. It's probably not fair, and I understand people who drop him because of health and because of how he looked in the few games he played after returning to play this year, but I do like him best form this draft if he's healthy.

Nothing close to what will really happen in a few instances, but that's a good thing. I like it when guys think for themselves and don't let mocks, media or fans do their thinking.

 

[stitches]

Nothing close to what will really happen in a few instances, but that's a good thing. I like it when guys think for themselves and don't let mocks, media or fans do their thinking.

yeah... there is a zero chance anyone would be able to get everything right with those projections, even the best of GMs in the league. I just see it as a fun exercise and my personal attempt at getting as many right as possible.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

yeah... there is a zero chance anyone would be able to get everything right with those projections, even the best of GMs in the league. I just see it as a fun exercise and my personal attempt at getting as many right as possible.

is it your personal big board or are you trying to predict what will actually happen in the draft? if its the latter, you need to move Wendel Carter up at least 8 spots, and move Lonnie Walker down about 8. among others, but those two stand out the most.

if its your personal big board, i like that you are thinking outside the box on them.

 

[Game6Conley]

Lmao.

He doesn’t rebound well. He gets what falls to him. 1.3 blocks per is below average for his measurable’s. Collins had very good touch out to 15 feet. I’m not buying this so-called cooked up excitement you are selling.


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Tony Bradley grabbed 2.6 offensive rebounds per game in 14.6mpg as one of the youngest freshman in the nation. Thats a rediculous rate. his oreb% had to be stupid high.

 

[Qman]

yeah... there is a zero chance anyone would be able to get everything right with those projections, even the best of GMs in the league. I just see it as a fun exercise and my personal attempt at getting as many right as possible.

Wow you are a lot lower on Shai than most. What about his game don't you like?

 

[stitches]

is it your personal big board or are you trying to predict what will actually happen in the draft? if its the latter, you need to move Wendel Carter up at least 8 spots, and move Lonnie Walker down about 8. among others, but those two stand out the most.

if its your personal big board, i like that you are thinking outside the box on them.

It's my big board, not a mock draft. It's how I like the players, not where I think they will go in the draft. I probably will do a mock around draft week when we hear more about who is projected to go up or down.

Wow you are a lot lower on Shai than most. What about his game don't you like?

It's not that I don't like him. I like this draft as a whole more than most drafts and in most drafts he would be late lottery type for me. I have some questions about him... and it's of the type of questions that are important for a primary ballhandler. I don't think he's a great athlete and he looks like he lacks great burst and he doesn't have great ability to separate both attacking the paint and in creating jumpshots for himself. He has some shake and wiggle, but I'm not sure it's going to be enough to be primary initiator in the league. I'm also not certain about his shooting projection. In a lot of projection models the volume of 3p is as important as the % he's hitting them at and he had one of the lowest 3p attempt rates from any perimeter player in the draft. In other words - it almost suggests he actively avoided shooting 3s.

Don't take this as a slight to him. I still like him and I'd be good with him at 21.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Josh Okogie

What I’m buying:

• Strength/length – especially defensively.
  
• Ability to get to the rim – though I’m much less confident in his ability to finish.

What I’m not buying:

• Functional vertical athleticism – I didn’t see much of the vertical game that we might expect from someone of his length/leaping/strength.
  
• Motor – seemed to run hot and cold a bit, though a strong defender when on.
  
• Shot creator – can get to rim at times, but I wouldn’t expect him to be much of a secondary playmaker.

Good stuff on all of these. I like the formatting.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lmao.

He doesn’t rebound well. He gets what falls to him. 1.3 blocks per is below average for his measurable’s. Collins had very good touch out to 15 feet. I’m not buying this so-called cooked up excitement you are selling.


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I mean, that's what rebounding is for most big men. You position yourself and the ball falls to you. You don't have to be an out of area rebounder as a big man. When you are as big as he is that's all you have to do.

And you got to stop comparing him to the Collins twins. He is way more talented.