Al Jefferson and #12 to Cavaliers?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We need to trade away the whole team for trade exceptions. Then we draft Jimmer with the #3 pick, Jackson Emery with the 12th pick. Then we convince the whole BYU team to leave school and sign with the Jazz as undrafted free agents. Championships would be easy.

 

[Zerol]

We need to trade away the whole team for trade exceptions. Then we draft Jimmer with the #3 pick, Jackson Emery with the 12th pick. Then we convince the whole BYU team to leave school and sign with the Jazz as undrafted free agents. Championships would be easy.

Yeah and in the NBA, Brandon Davies would not be suspended.

 

[utahjazz107]

You cant trade "trade exceptions". They are only used to absorb contracts of players that are to high for the teams salary. This is similar to the Al Jefferson trade, we got a trade exception because we did a sign and trade with Carlos Boozer. Minny never got a trade exception back from us for Al Jefferson, they got a 1st round pick and Koufos. The Trade Exception was just used to absorb Jefferson's contract since we were already above the salary cap. So in your trade, we could clear 13 million dollars of salary cap but we wouldn't be receiving a trade exception in return.


I would only trade Jefferson and 12 straight up for the 1st Pick and hope to draft both Irving and D-Will

 

[JohnStockalypse]

This guy serious?

 

[infection]

You cant trade "trade exceptions". They are only used to absorb contracts of players that are to high for the teams salary. This is similar to the Al Jefferson trade, we got a trade exception because we did a sign and trade with Carlos Boozer. Minny never got a trade exception back from us for Al Jefferson, they got a 1st round pick and Koufos. The Trade Exception was just used to absorb Jefferson's contract since we were already above the salary cap. So in your trade, we could clear 13 million dollars of salary cap but we wouldn't be receiving a trade exception in return.


I would only trade Jefferson and 12 straight up for the 1st Pick and hope to draft both Irving and D-Will

While it's true that you don't "trade" trade exceptions, generating a trade exception is a natural consequence of any deal that dumps salary w/o receiving any in return, unless the giving team is already under the cap. So in the instance of the Jefferson deal, we used the Boozer exception to get him while Minnesota gave up Jefferson and took back a very small amount of salary, thus generating a trade exception worth the difference between Jefferson and Koufas' salaries.

 

[utahjazz107]

While it's true that you don't "trade" trade exceptions, generating a trade exception is a natural consequence of any deal that dumps salary w/o receiving any in return, unless the giving team is already under the cap. So in the instance of the Jefferson deal, we used the Boozer exception to get him while Minnesota gave up Jefferson and took back a very small amount of salary, thus generating a trade exception worth the difference between Jefferson and Koufas' salaries.

But thats called salary cap not trade exception worth..basically we would dump jefferson's contract to free up salary cap. We will not get a trade exception. If we had a trade exception from that trade then we could sign a free agent in the offseason and then use this so called "trade exception" to absorb another players contract which is NOT TRUE.

 

[franklin]

But thats called salary cap not trade exception worth..basically we would dump jefferson's contract to free up salary cap. We will not get a trade exception. If we had a trade exception from that trade then we could sign a free agent in the offseason and then use this so called "trade exception" to absorb another players contract which is NOT TRUE.

Wrong. When one team trades a player to another team and does not take back equivalent salary, meaning the recipient of the surplus has cap space, then the other team gets a TPE in return. Utah trading Jefferson to a team with cap space and not taking back equivalent salary would result in a TPE for Utah that could be used to acquire existing contracts.

 

[infection]

But thats called salary cap not trade exception worth..basically we would dump jefferson's contract to free up salary cap. We will not get a trade exception. If we had a trade exception from that trade then we could sign a free agent in the offseason and then use this so called "trade exception" to absorb another players contract which is NOT TRUE.

I'm not entirely certain what you're trying to communicate but I think Franklin summed it up rather simply.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Wrong. When one team trades a player to another team and does not take back equivalent salary, meaning the recipient of the surplus has cap space, then the other team gets a TPE in return. Utah trading Jefferson to a team with cap space and not taking back equivalent salary would result in a TPE for Utah that could be used to acquire existing contracts.

Unless it puts the Jazz under the cap, at which point it would not need an 'exception' (Minnesota didn't receive a TPE from the Jefferson deal with Utah, Toronto only got $9 million TPE dealing Bosh because it put them about [and only] $5 million under the cap).

To trade Jefferson in the manner suggested gives you no guarantee on what exact financial flexibility or options you're left with. TPE's might be eliminated altogether (or existing ones grandfathered which would make sense), the cap number is probably the least-predictable thing to come from a new CBA as the idea of a hard cap AND a across-the-board player salary cut are being discussed. If the current CBA were to be kept, the Jazz would be somewhere between $15 (absolute low-end) and $21 million under the cap. And that's certainly enough to ruin some other team's offseason at the very worst as having cap space is far better than a TPE.

But again, since the CBA will be new, who knows. It would certainly put the Jazz under whatever cap might be put in place, and they might even be granted a TPE by the league retroactively if they lose most of their cap space. Who knows.

 

[Guitaro]

I dunno, I think a hard cap can hurt and help the Jazz.

It can hurt because if two teams are offering the same money but one is in a better climate, then they choose them. We don't have the option to overpay like we've had to so far.

It can help because if a wealthy city can't overpay everyone on their roster then something has to jingle loose and the Jazz can pounce.

As for the trade idea, I thought it'd be for the #1 pick. Although, I don't know if Irving is worth that much. He's good but he doesn't seem that much better than Knight or Kemba, to be honest.

 

[franklin]

It can hurt because if two teams are offering the same money but one is in a better climate, then they choose them. We don't have the option to overpay like we've had to so far.

You obviously haven't met anyone who has moved here for the snow and is intrigued by the only true church of The Lord.