Official *FAVORS WATCH* thread

[JimLes]

A couple of stats from this season. I know some of you don't put much stock in advanced statistics, but these two are difficult to ignore. These are league-leaders for the 17/18 season.

Regardless of which metric you use, Favors would appear to be a top-20 defender in the league. He was also top-10 in the league this year in offensive rebounding. He played under 30 minutes a game, too.

I'm really worried about what our defense might look like if we let him go.

 

[LoPo]

A couple of stats from this season. I know some of you don't put much stock in advanced statistics, but these two are difficult to ignore. These are league-leaders for the 17/18 season.

Regardless of which metric you use, Favors would appear to be a top-20 defender in the league. He was also top-10 in the league this year in offensive rebounding. He played under 30 minutes a game, too.

I'm really worried about what our defense might look like if we let him go.

This is very intriguing information. Thank you for sharing.

I'm wondering, can this be broken down to games with Gobert and without AND/OR minutes with Gobert and without?

 

[Sarni]

I guess they could, but they don't have any trade pieces that anybody really wants. Bazemore is an expiring chucker. Look around the league - who wants Schoeder? The PG market is becoming very saturated.

Favors would put people in the seats due to his Atlanta connection. He's not going to get them to the playoffs on his own. It's a savvy business move to add Favors. Collins and Prince are solid players Atlanta will not look to trade. If I'm Atlanta, I try to build something that makes sense around Collins, Prince, and their top 5 pick. More than likely, they are in the high lottery again next year. Favors just makes sense there without mortgaging the future.

I don’t think they want to win next season. They want 2-3 more high picks to get some young talent that could maybe develop into something. This year they get four picks, one of them a no. 3. I think they might try to consolidate two of them to move into mid-10s. That’s still not enough to build any kind of future team, the only young player they have that might amount to something currently is John Collins. They’ll be looking to add top tier talent through 2019 and maybe 2020 drafts. You don’t sign an expensive center who wants to play and win now and has been on a playoffs team for two consecutive seasons and then try to lose enough games to get a high pick.

I think Sacramento are a team that might offer Favors a great deal. They don’t own their pick next year anyway and are stacked with young talent as it is (Hield, Fox, Bogdanovic, Giles, now probably Doncic too) and won’t want to tank anymore. He could bring experience and stability. I think they will prefer to take on some bad deals and get more picks or try to price away Gordon or Parker though.

 

[Jack Strop]

So when/where will the "STAYvors" billboards go up?

Dallas may also be a candidate for signing Derrick. Ayton, Bagley and Bamba will probably be gone by the time they pick. They have no 5's to speak of on their roster. If Favors is willing to play the 5, Dallas might be a good spot.

Joe likely stays in Australia, but it would be so like Ingles to knock on Derrick's door at 12:01 a.m.

I guess the selling point for the Jazz is we're one of the few teams that would let Favors start at PF. I know he's said a few times he isn't a center and doesn't like playing there.

 

[Jingled]

I'm really worried about what our defense might look like if we let him go.

Locke really dug into the defensive statistics with Gobert and Favors on his podcast last week and basically what he found is that our defense the past couple of seasons has been just as good and maybe even slightly better with a stretch 4 such as Crowder, Jerebko, Sefelosha, etc. playing alongside Gobert than it was with Favors and Gobert playing together. Locke doesn't seem to think losing Favors will hurt our defense, and his numbers seemingly back that up.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Locke really dug into the defensive statistics with Gobert and Favors on his podcast last week and basically what he found is that our defense the past couple of seasons has been just as good and maybe even slightly better with a stretch 4 such as Crowder, Jerebko, Sefelosha, etc. playing alongside Gobert than it was with Favors and Gobert playing together. Locke doesn't seem to think losing Favors will hurt our defense, and his numbers seemingly back that up.

The only "stretch" 4 that has put up defensive numbers any where close to what Gobert/Favors has is Gobert/Crowder. The rest have been worse. But Favors/Udoh put up just as good of defensive numbers as those two with a better offensive rating.

 

[Jingled]

The only "stretch" 4 that has put up defensive numbers any where close to what Gobert/Favors has is Gobert/Crowder. The rest have been worse. But Favors/Udoh put up just as good of defensive numbers as those two with a better offensive rating.

I haven't looked into it myself, but according to Locke, our defensive rating was just as good with Jerebko, Sefelosha, and I believe even Ingles at the 4 next to Gobert as it was with Favors at the 4 next to Gobert. The only player that really killed our defensive rating when playing the 4 was Joe Johnson.

 

[Rgiss]

A couple of stats from this season. I know some of you don't put much stock in advanced statistics, but these two are difficult to ignore. These are league-leaders for the 17/18 season.

Regardless of which metric you use, Favors would appear to be a top-20 defender in the league. He was also top-10 in the league this year in offensive rebounding. He played under 30 minutes a game, too.

I'm really worried about what our defense might look like if we let him go.

Why I hate public defensive stats

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[Jack Strop]

For me, I still like Favs at the 5 when Rudy sits. I don't think you can just point to W-L record when Rudy was out. That just happened to coincide with a horrific schedule.

Udoh gives Utah rim protection, but he's a liability on offense. He can't hit even a gimme, let alone a free throw. Favs still offers some stout defense inside and is very good on the P&R and midrange shots. I'm all about versatility and matchups. Yes, there are definitely times Favs + Gobert don't work. And Quin often didn't finish with Favors. But there are other times (like against two bigs that they're also a plus).

Paul George unexpectedly saying he wants to sign with Utah would change things, but barring that,

1. Re-sign Favors and Exum
2. Draft someone like Heurter, Brown or Musa. I'm all for BPA, but prefer a big wing in the draft.
3. Make an offer to Bjelica
4. Re-sign the 3 non-guaranteed players. Or maybe just 2 if a good 2nd-rounder is drafted and a roster spot is needed. Jerebko is most expendable if Minnesota doesn't match for Bjelica.
5. Use expirings of Burks, Jerebko, Thabo and Udoh and the 2019 pick at the deadline to trade for a scorer - either a starter or a 6th man.

 

[JimLes]

Why I hate public defensive stats

By all means, hook us up with the internal ones.

 

[Stars Fan]

For me, I still like Favs at the 5 when Rudy sits. I don't think you can just point to W-L record when Rudy was out. That just happened to coincide with a horrific schedule.

Udoh gives Utah rim protection, but he's a liability on offense. He can't hit even a gimme, let alone a free throw. Favs still offers some stout defense inside and is very good on the P&R and midrange shots. I'm all about versatility and matchups. Yes, there are definitely times Favs + Gobert don't work. And Quin often didn't finish with Favors. But there are other times (like against two bigs that they're also a plus).

Paul George unexpectedly saying he wants to sign with Utah would change things, but barring that,

1. Re-sign Favors and Exum
2. Draft someone like Heurter, Brown or Musa. I'm all for BPA, but prefer a big wing in the draft.
3. Make an offer to Bjelica
4. Re-sign the 3 non-guaranteed players. Or maybe just 2 if a good 2nd-rounder is drafted and a roster spot is needed. Jerebko is most expendable if Minnesota doesn't match for Bjelica.
5. Use expirings of Burks, Jerebko, Thabo and Udoh and the 2019 pick at the deadline to trade for a scorer - either a starter or a 6th man.

Yep. Dis rat cheer.

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[Ron Mexico]

I haven't looked into it myself, but according to Locke, our defensive rating was just as good with Jerebko, Sefelosha, and I believe even Ingles at the 4 next to Gobert as it was with Favors at the 4 next to Gobert. The only player that really killed our defensive rating when playing the 4 was Joe Johnson.

Having looked at them recently I would disagree with that. But I would happily look at other stats.


One issue might be if he is looking at two year's ago stats. Favors was hobbled all season and maybe that hurts his stats when you put it with this year's. Although last time I looked favors was still our best net rating of any big combo with Gobert 2 years ago even when he was hurt.