Stupid Pet Peeves
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Internet 'tough guys'.
Miggs
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Who now?
Using generalities to paper over differences is poor reasoning.
What would constitute proof on this topic, to you? I'm looking for the best explanation. You have already acknowledged that some make-up is not used to create the illusion of youth, so it is clearly not universally used for this reason. When I was in high school, girls used make-up to look older. I already gave the example of the bindi; how many examples is "many"?
The best indicator of fertility is recent childbirth. If make-up were really about indicating fertility, we would be seeing women with binkie hanging from their ears and carrying diaper bags to nightclubs, even if they did not have a kid.
Less than 500 years ago, in Anglo culture, the ideal woman shape was plump and the ideal skin tone was ivory/alabaster. Today, it is thin with tanned skin. There have been other variances over time. You think that's all biological and not cultural?
Cultural norms definitely drive attractiveness; there are only a couple that are universal (such as symmetry). Make-up choice follows these cultural norms.
when I can't follow a discussion...
like what the heck is the "pet peeve" that's connected to all this talk about make-up and fertility?
like what the heck is the "pet peeve" that's connected to all this talk about make-up and fertility?
idestroyedthetoilet
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Such a silly argument. Fertility and the burden of somebody else's child don't blend well in the gene passing on instinct, obviously.
And I didn't know you lived 500 years ago and mentally separated necessity (famine) from attractiveness.
There is a reason all the goddess's of sexuality, love & lust are curvy, womanly shaped with c cup breasts. From Inanna (Ishtar) to Chinese goddesses to Aphrodite. Coincidence? Hmmm.
It's not much of a discussion when one side can't see the 800 lb gorilla in the room so I'll bow out. Thanks for making me think though.
RJF
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So much this!
The notion of "the burden of somebody else's child" is cultural, not biological. If it were about fertility, "someone else's child" would not matter.
I'm sure even today you can tell the difference between thin and suffering from famine. We do have records from 500 years ago with descriptions of beauty (poetry, painting, plays, etc.), so I'm not sure why I would have to have lived that long ago.
I'm glad to see you agree with my point that standards of attractiveness have changed rapidly. Even so, depictions would (and still do) vary from artist to artist, and certainly culture to culture (not all cultures are as breast-obsessed as ours).
One of many counterexamples to c-cupped fertility goddesses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xochiquetzal
I thought of our disagreement as being where the gorilla came from, but I agree we seem to be going around in circles. I thank you as well.
Jack Strop
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Hell, i have that problem with the old lady who lives below the condo I rent. She's up early and wharever the hell she does sounds like a pack of elephants stampeding to the watering hole.
Or i hear her outside calling to her cats to come inside. And, of course, having to get up at 6 for work, I usually cant fall back asleep after 4.
You know who you are.