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Where would Jimmer go in a non-weak draft?

sirkickyass

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Obviously the consensus is that this is one of the weakest drafts in years, blah blah blah, we all know that drill.

Jimmer is currently projected somewhere between 10-20 in the supposed very weak draft. If this were a more typical draft class where would Jimmer land? Would he be a second-rounder or would his crazy college scoring numbers make his value relatively stable?

I kind of have a suspicion that his projected draft position wouldn't be much different than it is now because absent a handful of real blue-chip athletes that would obviously go before him (Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, etc.) Jimmer's relatively strengths and weaknesses vs. his peers would be static. Someone would still take a flyer on the highest scorer or most dominant player in college basketball in the mid-first round regardless of available talent is my thesis I guess.

As evidence I'm thinking of the case of Tyler Hansborough, who had effectively the same "weaknesses" as Jimmer in the sense that the punditry declared him to be of less than ideal size and athleticism. However his college career was obviously excellent. In a draft class that was perceived to be considerably stronger than the present one he was ultimately drafted 13th. Lo and behold that's a very realistic slot for Jimmer today as well.

The real question here that I'd like to address then is whether a) Jimmer is projected as a mid first rounder because that's what his "true value" is relative to the talent pool in this particular draft or b) Jimmer is projected as a mid first rounder because that's what we have collectively determined to be the appropriate range in which teams take great college players that don't have ideal NBA bodies regardless of draft class?

I kind of suspect there's some truth to option b, and that has interesting implications for what Jimmer's "true value" might be relative to this particular class.

Full disclosure: I'm Jimmer agnostic. I have no real dog in the fight other than being generally amused by the intensity of Jimmer fanatics. Any comments that I'm a Jimmerphile or a Jimmer-hater will be laughed at and not responded to.
 
I still think Jimmer could land late lottery or just outside. Even though players like him don't seem to fit in the NBA all that often I just would see a team taking a chance on arguably the best collegiate player last year.
 
15-25 Range. Jimmer is a backup pg, and he would probably go after the lottery. Some team that needs a backup pg to hit the big three once a week to give them an advantage would draft him (LA, Mia, Orl, SA, Dal). I believe that because the draft is so weak, people are talking themselves into believing he can do more than he actually can.
 
That being said, Miami would LOVE to have Jimmer and Jimmer would be great for them. All Jimmer would have to do is stand outside the three point line and wait for LeBron or Wade to toss him the ball. I don't even think they would ask him to cross the mid-court line.
 
15-25 Range. Jimmer is a backup pg, and he would probably go after the lottery. Some team that needs a backup pg to hit the big three once a week to give them an advantage would draft him (LA, Mia, Orl, SA, Dal). I believe that because the draft is so weak, people are talking themselves into believing he can do more than he actually can.

So if he's in the 10-20 range now are you saying that the weakness of this draft is worth approximately five slots?

Put another way, in your view would our 2009 knowledge of Psycho T justify a #8 pick in the 2011 draft?
 
In 2003 (a great draft, but not necessarily for PGs), I think Boston takes Jimmer Fredette over Troy Bell with their 16th pick. I think Jimmer might be in the Milwaukee conversation at #8 as well (They took TJ Ford), but I don't think he goes past 20 in that draft.

In 2005 (great PG draft - Paul, Deron, Felton), harder to say but he might go as low as #32 to the Clippers. Although I could also see Minnesota or NJ taking him that year 15/16.

I'm going with D - all of the above. If the 4 or 5 draft dropouts who were projected to go top 10 this year would have stayed in, I think Fredette drops 2 or 3 spots -- not 5.
 
Probably around the same 15-25 range. No matter what draft it is, a sharp shooting ball handler is always a luxury in any draft.
 
I am of the opinion that Jimmer's stock would be fairly steady. Shooting does that for a player's stock.
 
Build a man a fire; keep him warm for a day. Light a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of this life.

Give a boy a Jimmer poster; keep him warm for a day. Teach a boy to Jimmer and he will be warm for the rest of this life.
 
Still go in the teens. Keep in mind Sacramento is thinking about him at 7 (if Knight and Walker are gone). Only takes one team to really like him to go in the teens even if the rest arent even considering him. Holds true in a better draft.
 
Probably around where Dan Dickau went.

Just kiddding - but not really.

Actually I look at it this way - I'm quite convinced Fredette will be a better player than Ronnie Brewer, Kris Humpheries and Kirk Snyder - three late lottery picks by Utah. So I have no reservations about picking him at 12 in a "weak" draft.
 
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Still go in the teens. Keep in mind Sacramento is thinking about him at 7 (if Knight and Walker are gone). Only takes one team to really like him to go in the teens even if the rest arent even considering him. Holds true in a better draft.

I dub this the Juan Dixon corollary.
 
So if he's in the 10-20 range now are you saying that the weakness of this draft is worth approximately five slots?

Put another way, in your view would our 2009 knowledge of Psycho T justify a #8 pick in the 2011 draft?

Ummm. Let's see:

2009- 2011
1- Griffin - Irving
2- Thabeet - Williams
3- Harden - Knight
4- Evans - Kantor
5- Rubio - Vesley
6- Flynn - Walker
7- Curry - Leonard
8- Hill - Valanciunas
9- DeRosan - Biyombo
10- Jennings - Burks
11- Williams - Thompson
12- Henderson - Morris
13- Hansborough - Singleton
14- Clark - Hamilton
15- Daye - Jimmer
16- Johnson - Motiejunas
17- Holliday - Thompson
18- Lawson - Morris
19- Teague - Harris
20- Maynor - Faried

I would say the only player 8-13 that might get drafted higher this year then Psycho T would be Burks. So, I would say yes. In this year's draft there is a fantastic chance T goes top 8. I would be shocked it T fell past 9 or 10 in this year's draft.

Now, where would Jimmer go in 2009? We know in 2010 Jimmer couldn't get a commit from any team and there is a great chance that last year he was a second round pick. What did Jimmer do from this year to last? Other than confirm he is a good shooter, he didn't show anything new to scouts. He didn't defend better, be a better passer, more rebounds, etc. So, you know what Jimmer is going to be in all likely hood: Eddie House.

Here is 2009 again and if Jimmer would be picked instead:

1- Griffin - No
2- Thabeet - No
3- Harden - No
4- Evans - No
5- Rubio - No
6- Flynn - No
7- Curry - No
8- Hill - No
9- DeRosan - No
10- Jennings - No
11- Williams - No
12- Henderson - No
13- Hansborough - No
14- Clark - No
15- Daye - No
16- Johnson - No
17- Holliday - No
18- Lawson - No
19- Teague - No
20- Maynor - Maybe - basically because it is Utah
21- Collison - No
22- From here, I can't remember enough about any of these guys to say. So, I guess, in my opinion, the weaker draft really helps Jimmer out. The last two years Jimmer may not even be a first round pick. I still wouldn't be surprised if Jimmer falls fast in this draft is the Jazz do not take him. I will say that the weakness of this draft is worth around 5 slots (which ironically, is about how many players pulled out of this draft). I would also say that the extremely high amount of publicity Jimmer received has boosted his stock for the moment. He has gone from maybe a late first rounder to second round pick to a lottery pick. It is the perfect storm for Jimmer this year.
 
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