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Defense at Every Position

Scat

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Got this off another site (red are current Jazz players. green are former Jazzmen that didn't fit the plan, or players that people here wanted at some point):
This is a cumulative ranking based on the 5 years of data on ESPN. Minimum 100 games played so no rookies.

CENTER
1 Rudy Gobert 4.27
2 Nene Hilario 3.39
3 Jusuf Nurkic 3.29
4 Salah Mejri 3.12
5 Ian Mahinmi 3.02
6 DeAndre Jordan 2.93
7 Tyson Chandler 2.81
8 Amir Johnson 2.80
9 Hassan Whiteside 2.75
10 Nerlens Noel 2.72
11 Nikola Jokic 2.64
12 Dwight Howard 2.61
13 Joakim Noah 2.61
14 Ekpe Udoh 2.60
15 Zaza Pachulia 2.60
16 Marcin Gortat 2.48
17 Lucas Nogueira 2.39
18 DeMarcus Cousins 2.36
19 Omer Asik 2.35
20 Dewayne Dedmon 2.26
21 Clint Capela 2.21
22 Marc Gasol 2.20
23 Cody Zeller 2.19
24 Aron Baynes 1.94
25 Kosta Koufos 1.90
26 Pau Gasol 1.89
27 Kevin Love 1.68
28 Myles Turner 1.60
29 Kyle O'Quinn 1.48
30 Nikola Vucevic 1.45
31 Timofey Mozgov 1.44
32 Andre Drummond 1.40
33 Robin Lopez 1.37
34 Gorgui Dieng 1.32
35 Steven Adams 1.30
36 Alexis Ajinca 1.28
37 Boban Marjanovic 1.25
38 Alex Len 1.12
39 Domantas Sabonis 1.08
40 Dwight Powell 1.05
41 Jakob Poeltl 1.00
42 Bismack Biyombo 0.90
43 Willy Hernangomez 0.84
44 Tyler Zeller 0.81
45 Brook Lopez 0.80
46 John Henson 0.75
47 Greg Monroe 0.69
48 Jonas Valanciunas 0.62
49 Davis Bertans 0.54
50 Miles Plumlee 0.54
51 Mason Plumlee 0.32
52 Dirk Nowitzki 0.31
53 Willie Cauley-Stein 0.30
54 Meyers Leonard 0.04
55 Tristan Thompson -0.03
56 JaVale McGee -0.06
57 Cristiano Felicio -0.08
58 Karl-Anthony Towns -0.40
59 Thon Maker -0.65
60 Joffrey Lauvergne -1.11
61 Jahlil Okafor -1.15
62 Enes Kanter -1.71

POWER FORWARD
1 Draymond Green 4.66
2 Anthony Davis 2.94
3 David West 2.71
4 Paul Millsap 2.66
5 Al-Farouq Aminu 2.38
6 Larry Nance Jr. 2.22
7 Kristaps Porzingis 2.13
8 Darrell Arthur 1.96
9 Al Horford 1.95
10 Serge Ibaka 1.88
11 Luc Mbah a Moute 1.78
12 Taj Gibson 1.70
13 Derrick Favors 1.70
14 LaMarcus Aldridge 1.46
15 Thaddeus Young 1.34
16 Nikola Mirotic 1.32
17 James Johnson 1.31
18 Ed Davis 1.20
19 Markieff Morris 1.16
20 Nemanja Bjelica 1.14
21 Blake Griffin 0.97
22 Tarik Black 0.91
23 Pascal Siakam 0.85
24 Noah Vonleh 0.80
25 Kelly Olynyk 0.75
26 Giannis Antetokounmpo 0.70
27 Channing Frye 0.67
28 Marvin Williams 0.58
29 Jae Crowder 0.55
30 Jonas Jerebko 0.54
31 Jon Leuer 0.43
32 Udonis Haslem 0.42
33 Mike Muscala 0.17
34 Patrick Patterson 0.08
35 Zach Randolph 0.00
36 Anthony Tolliver -0.01
37 Jarell Martin -0.04
38 Trevor Booker -0.05
39 Aaron Gordon -0.14
40 Marreese Speights -0.15
41 Montrezl Harrell -0.34
42 Ersan Ilyasova -0.38
43 Richaun Holmes -0.45
44 Trey Lyles -0.46
45 JaMychal Green -0.49
46 Jason Smith -0.50
47 Marcus Morris -0.53
48 Marquese Chriss -0.61
49 Dario Saric -0.63
50 Kenneth Faried -0.68
51 Dragan Bender -0.72
52 Julius Randle -0.89
53 Frank Kaminsky -0.94
54 Mike Scott -1.08
55 Carmelo Anthony -1.29
56 Bobby Portis -1.63
57 Ryan Anderson -1.79
58 Jabari Parker -1.93

SMALL FORWARD
1 Kawhi Leonard 2.89
2 Robert Covington 2.65
3 Kyle Anderson 2.28
4 Thabo Sefolosha 2.12
5 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 1.98
6 Andre Iguodala 1.96
7 Kevon Looney 1.62
8 LeBron James 1.49
9 Justise Winslow 1.29
10 Jared Dudley 1.22
11 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson 1.17
12 Paul George 1.17
13 Trevor Ariza 0.99
14 DeMarre Carroll 0.96
15 Wesley Johnson 0.91

16 Luol Deng 0.86
17 PJ Tucker 0.82
18 Otto Porter Jr. 0.61
19 Kevin Durant 0.45
20 Joe Ingles 0.31
21 Josh Richardson 0.19
22 Garrett Temple 0.17
23 Danilo Gallinari 0.12
24 Rudy Gay 0.08
25 Khris Middleton 0.08
26 Solomon Hill 0.03
27 Omri Casspi 0.03
28 Taurean Prince 0.01
29 Stanley Johnson -0.03
30 Dorian Finney-Smith -0.09
31 James Ennis III -0.10
32 Gordon Hayward -0.13
33 Denzel Valentine -0.16
34 Chandler Parsons -0.18
35 Kyle Singler -0.27
36 Harrison Barnes -0.29
37 Quincy Acy -0.35
38 Dante Cunningham -0.40
39 Evan Turner -0.41
40 Maurice Harkless -0.45
41 Jerami Grant -0.46
42 Sam Dekker -0.52
43 CJ Miles -0.53
44 Richard Jefferson -0.63

45 Tobias Harris -0.68
46 Norman Powell -0.77
47 Wilson Chandler -0.84
48 Jeff Green -0.90
49 Luke Babbitt -0.90
50 Will Barton -0.93
51 Darius Miller -0.96
52 Jonathon Simmons -0.98
53 JaKarr Sampson -1.00
54 Kelly Oubre Jr. -1.00
55 Lance Thomas -1.03
56 Michael Beasley -1.19
57 E'Twaun Moore -1.21
58 Mario Hezonja -1.68
59 Brandon Ingram -1.80
60 TJ Warren -2.03
61 Joe Harris -2.21
62 Andrew Wiggins -2.24
63 Tim Hardaway Jr. -2.36
64 Doug McDermott -2.69
65 Bojan Bogdanovic -3.00

SHOOTING GUARD
1 Andre Roberson 2.44
2 Danny Green 2.16
3 Jimmy Butler 1.41
4 Iman Shumpert 1.19
5 Victor Oladipo 0.99
6 Tomas Satoransky 0.74
7 Manu Ginobili 0.67
8 Vince Carter 0.52
9 Kyle Korver 0.50
10 DeAndre Liggins 0.22
11 Jaylen Brown 0.21
12 Justin Holiday 0.00
13 Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot -0.01
14 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope -0.09
15 Kent Bazemore -0.16
16 Langston Galloway -0.23
17 Avery Bradley -0.27
18 Corey Brewer -0.31
19 Reggie Bullock -0.31
20 Tyler Johnson -0.33
21 Shawn Marion -0.36
22 Klay Thompson -0.37
23 Jason Terry -0.42
24 Jeremy Lamb -0.45
25 Wesley Matthews -0.50
26 Nicolas Batum -0.51
27 Andrew Harrison -0.51
28 Glenn Robinson III -0.59
29 Tony Snell -0.67
30 Bradley Beal -0.68
31 Dwyane Wade -0.71
32 CJ McCollum -0.84
33 Seth Curry -0.88
34 Justin Anderson -0.91
35 Joe Johnson -0.94
36 Courtney Lee -1.02
37 Tyreke Evans -1.07
38 Ben McLemore -1.11
39 Dion Waiters -1.16
40 Pat Connaughton -1.16
41 JR Smith -1.19
42 Caris LeVert -1.20
43 Evan Fournier -1.20
44 Wayne Ellington -1.22
45 Lance Stephenson -1.24
46 Rodney Hood -1.32
47 JJ Redick -1.48
48 DeMar DeRozan -1.50
49 Alec Burks -1.57
50 Mike Miller -1.58
51 Gerald Green -1.59
52 Alex Abrines -1.61
53 Gary Harris -1.62
54 Buddy Hield -1.64
55 Eric Gordon -1.70
56 Ian Clark -1.82
57 Allen Crabbe -1.90
58 Bryn Forbes -1.97
59 Patrick McCaw -2.02
60 Terrence Ross -2.04
61 Jodie Meeks -2.10
62 Nik Stauskas -2.14
63 Nick Young -2.21
64 Arron Afflalo -2.35
65 Jordan Crawford -2.49
66 Lou Williams -2.74
67 Markel Brown -2.79
68 Marco Belinelli -2.86
69 Devin Booker -3.02
70 Troy Daniels -3.03
71 Shabazz Muhammad -3.24
72 Jamal Crawford -3.61

POINT GUARD
1 Dejounte Murray 2.19
2 Ricky Rubio 1.83
3 Chris Paul 1.79
4 Kyle Lowry 1.10
5 Jrue Holiday 1.00
6 Eric Bledsoe 1.00
7 Marcus Smart 0.92
8 Patrick Beverley 0.84
9 Fred VanVleet 0.81
10 Mario Chalmers 0.74
11 Tyus Jones 0.61
12 Stephen Curry 0.56
13 Delon Wright 0.39
14 Yogi Ferrell 0.34
15 Russell Westbrook 0.19
16 George Hill 0.18
17 Raul Neto 0.12
18 Michael Carter-Williams 0.11
19 Shaun Livingston 0.10
20 Jeremy Lin 0.09
21 John Wall 0.02
22 Mike Conley 0.01
23 Spencer Dinwiddie -0.23
24 T.J. McConnell -0.29
25 Terry Rozier -0.37
26 Dante Exum -0.39
27 Ish Smith -0.42
28 Rajon Rondo -0.44
29 Elfrid Payton -0.46
30 Kris Dunn -0.47
31 Matthew Dellavedova -0.53
32 Jeff Teague -0.55
33 Malcolm Delaney -0.58
34 Devin Harris -0.60
35 Patty Mills -0.63
36 Kemba Walker -0.63
37 Malcolm Brogdon -0.63
38 Jerian Grant -0.66
39 Cameron Payne -0.74
40 Tim Frazier -0.74
41 Shabazz Napier -0.75
42 Cory Joseph -0.88
43 Goran Dragic -1.02
44 Raymond Felton -1.09
45 James Harden -1.10
46 Reggie Jackson -1.12
47 Shelvin Mack -1.17
48 Shane Larkin -1.18
49 Jarrett Jack -1.25
50 Tony Parker -1.39
51 Jose Calderon -1.43
52 Damian Lillard -1.46
53 Ramon Sessions -1.53
54 Ty Lawson -1.56
55 Darren Collison -1.72
56 Joe Young -1.72
57 Jameer Nelson -1.83
58 Jamal Murray -1.95
59 Derrick Rose -1.97
60 Isaiah Canaan -1.97
61 Jerryd Bayless -2.06
62 Kyrie Irving -2.10
63 Austin Rivers -2.11
64 Brandon Knight -2.30
65 Aaron Brooks -2.34
66 J.J. Barea -2.48
67 Dennis Schroder -2.53
68 D'Angelo Russell -2.55
69 D.J. Augustin -2.62
70 Isaiah Thomas -2.63
71 Jordan Clarkson -2.65
72 Emmanuel Mudiay -2.69
73 Trey Burke -2.95
74 Zach LaVine -3.46

With Mitchell and O'neal having over a hundred games by year's end I expect even more Jazz players to have positive ratings. Allen will likely be on this list as well after 100 games. I am also hopeful after watching X's defense against Harden in the playoff that he can achieve a positive rating staying relatively healthy for an entire season. That would give the Jazz 12 players with positive defense ratings. They could be a juggernaut.
 
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I love how the Bulls and the Rockets have the four worst PFs between themselves. Losing Ariza and Mbah Moute and adding Carmelo may actually cost them HCA after the first round.
 
I always thought Korver was an under-rated defensive player.
He was. I always said he was our best wing defender. Now ten years later, I believe the league/fans have wised up. He stayed in front of his man and played good off-ball defense (very underrated, and often unnoticed).

ETA: I realized when this has been brought up before someone said Matthews, which is true, but he never comes to mind because he only played the one year with us.
 
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It cracks me up how people say Jokic will never be elite because he is a bottom 10 defensive center, yet KAT is much worse and he is all-NBA. Eye test versus data. You decide.
 
I actually expected Hood and AB to be even worse, I thought they'd be at the very bottom of the list for shooting guards.
 
I actually expected Hood and AB to be even worse, I thought they'd be at the very bottom of the list for shooting guards.
They looked bad in comparison to the rest of our team because we have so many good defenders, but there are definitely worse defenders out there.

Should have highlighted Shelvin Mack (PG#47) and Trey Lyles (PF#44) too.

Luc MaM's rating (PF#11) and Ariza's (SF#13) shows why the Rockets will miss them. And why Carmelo (PF#55) is a liability.
 
Those actually seem like some pretty decent rankings just from skimming. Jokic, David West and Korver seem to come out very well which is a little weird.
 
Jabari should be mortified that he is worse than Carmelo.
Jabari isn't being paid to care if he is better or worse than Carmelo. Especially on defense.

"We're sitting in here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we in here talking about defense. I mean, listen, we're talking about defense, not scoring, not scoring, not scoring, we talking about defense. Not offense. Not, not … Not the scoring that I go out there and die for and take every shot like it's my last. Not the offense, but we're talking about defense, man."
 
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