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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary

The Thriller said:
My hell... are we still refuting basic myths about health care?

We have the least efficient and most expensive health care system in the developed world by a long shot. It’s because of our ridiculous privatized system, not lack of one. If we want to become more efficient then we desperately need more “socialism.”

Time and time again single payer systems prove that that they work by:

a) providing universal coverage
b) lower overall costs to both patients and country.
c) being the only moral way to deliver health care to the masses. Why should Americans die or become bankrupt for lack of health care coverage? How can we live with ourselves knowing that the rich and healthy receive the best care while those in need of health care the most don’t receive it?

It’s time to wake up. “Socialized medicine” isn’t a bad thing. For most of us, it would be a godsend.

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BuT hOW wILL wE pAy fOR iT!?!!

Somehow no one seemed to give a **** how we were planning on paying for Iraq or Afghanistan or a trillion dollar giveaway to billionaires, but we need a ****ing 30 point plan from a not even elected junior representative during an interview with Jake Tapper in order to take her seriously.

**** these people are exhausting.
 
Trumponomics is going to usher in a brand new era with a group of mentally entrenched Americans on economic policy. Reagan's work rolled on for nearly 30 years after he changed minds. Results matter and Trump is showing them just like Reagan. You'll have people remembering for a long time how good the economy was. They had good jobs back then. Incomes were rising across the board...

The Washington Consensus might be replaced with a neo, Trumpian version.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Trumponomics is going to usher in a brand new era with a group of mentally entrenched Americans on economic policy. Reagan's work rolled on for nearly 30 years after he changed minds. Results matter and Trump is showing them just like Reagan. You'll have people remembering for a long time how good the economy was. They had good jobs back then. Incomes were rising across the board...

The Washington Consensus might be replaced with a neo, Trumpian version.
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Trump has to get reelected first before this has any chance of happening.
 
Zombie said:
BuT hOW wILL wE pAy fOR iT!?!!

Somehow no one seemed to give a **** how we were planning on paying for Iraq or Afghanistan or a trillion dollar giveaway to billionaires, but we need a ****ing 30 point plan from a not even elected junior representative during an interview with Jake Tapper in order to take her seriously.

**** these people are exhausting.
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1) Is asking how are we going to pay for these things a legitimate question or concern? Trust me, I'm on board to health care reforms and health care for all. The amount of health care expenses, headaches and fighting my insurance company the last 7 or so years is beyond ridiculous to me. There are so many people who have it way worse than me too.

2) When you say no one cares about giving a **** about Afghanistan or Iraq or trillion dollar giveaways to billionaires, are you lumping me into that assumption as well?



Sometimes, people are for or against certain policies regardless of political party affiliation. To me, it's certainly not a crazy concept to think this way.
 
Archie Moses said:
When pressed on it twice, I heard her say, "We do know and acknowledge that there are political realities," she added. "They don't always happen with the wave of a wand, but we can work to make these things happen."

What time in the video does she answer for the 38 trillion?
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She is clueless.
 
Jonah said:
Trump has to get reelected first before this has any chance of happening.
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Trump and the R's will be buying votes left and right. The Santa Clause rally is coming and it'll be strong. R's will tout growth, jobs, growth, jobs, wages and push even more money into the economy, targeted at where they can get the most vote bang for the buck. They'll sell the steaming hot economy and tell us not to let the democrats ruin it, which of course the D's are already scheming and plotting to do. There's no stopping Trump if the D's lose this November.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Trump and the R's will be buying votes left and right. The Santa Clause rally is coming and it'll be strong. R's will tout growth, jobs, growth, jobs, wages and push even more money into the economy, targeted at where they can get the most vote bang for the buck. They'll sell the steaming hot economy and tell us not to let the democrats ruin it, which of course the D's are already scheming and plotting to do. There's no stopping Trump if the D's lose this November.
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It’s true the midterms this November will be in large part a referendum on Trump, but Republicans keeping control of the House is far from a foregone conclusion. Here’s 538’s latest forecasting model:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/?ex_cid=rrpromo
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
If they win I'll wonder if Trump will get the tax increases on the wealthy that he wanted, or if they'll leave that act alone.
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If they hold both the House and Senate it would be a huge upset, euphoric Republicans would probably pass anything Trump wants, although knowing now what he wants is beyond me, probably beyond Trump as well.
 
I'm gonna burn some **** down if the Rs keep the house.

Hold Trump accountable!
 
Bulletproof said:
I'm gonna burn some **** down if the Rs keep the house.

Hold Trump accountable!
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You wouldn’t be alone. What I worry about is Trumps base meeting those people in the streets. We’ve already seen signs of it starting.
 
Archie Moses said:


Maybe the other 38 trillion dollars she can't account for will come from the bling blingers who conducted her photoshoot who happened to conveniently have close to $4000 worth of clothes that fit her like a glove?


Hehepeepeecaca
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do u really not feel any shame for being duped by Charlie Kirk with regards to her wardrobe?

Instead of being deadest on satisfying your confirmation bias to smear this politician, how about you ask yourself why you're so quick to insult her, to the point where you're sharing fake news?
 
I love how triggered *** clowns like Charlie Kirk and Shapiro get with Cortez. Does she remind them of someone from high school who denied them? I don’t know how effective she’ll be at proposing and passing legislation. But I love how easily she owns regressives on social media.

It’s like Pepe keeps trying to kiss the princess and she keeps crushing him with her heels.
 
dalamon said:
clueless is opposing a politician who's trying to implement cheaper healthcare that is better, I would argue. There is simply zero metric that argues for the superiority of multipayer US-style healthcare vs. what the rest of the developed world has.
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There are few posters on this site who are fanboys of Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk. So I decided to follow them on twitter and watch a few of their interviews. Needless to say I’m less than impressed.

a) Kirk is nothing more than a Sean Hannity wannabe. He joins the ranks of spoiled yet still virgin dingbats like Jacob Wohl and Tucker Carlson. Republicans are too stupid to understand the irony of a rich white kid born and raised on the coast who’s never worked a day in his life, ranting against coastal elites. Literally, nothing Kirk says is honest not intellectually stimulating. It takes maybe 2 seconds to refute anything he says.

Most of his vitriol is just cow stool on the same anger level of Tomi Lahren, without the tank top.

b) Shapiro is a little more subtle. He’s not as angry and he plays the Jewish card all the time. “I can’t be racist, I’m an Orthodox Jew!” His vitriol is just as dishonest and silly as Kirk’s. I read one of his rants against affirmative action. It took me about 10 seconds (so 5 times more complex than Kirk’s) to see how his cherry picking of stats led to a confirmation bias in his “objective review” of affirmative action.

He honestly just regurgitates the same spittle as all right wingers about higher Edu, women, and minorities but he used big words and throws in a few cherry picked stats.

Like Trump, he likes to throw false statements out there and “win arguments” by a factchecker’s inability to keep up. I watched his interview with Bill Maher. One part stood out in particular. He claimed that, “Trump had done more against Russia than Obama.” Mayer couldn’t keep up and failed to refute this obvious false statement. Clearly, to thoroughly refute this one would have to go into Obama’s failed “reset” with Russia, the Magnitsky Act, and Trump’s lack of enforcing of sanctions.

This is why Shapiro and Kirk are constantly hounding people to debate them. They’re serial liars who merely benefit by having a platform to spew their nonsense.
 
dalamon said:
do u really not feel any shame for being duped by Charlie Kirk with regards to her wardrobe?

Instead of being deadest on satisfying your confirmation bias to smear this politician, how about you ask yourself why you're so quick to insult her, to the point where you're sharing fake news?
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1) I don't know who Charlie Kirk is. How did he dupe people about her wardrobe? Did she pose in a close to 4k outfit with construction workers, etc to show she's for the common people or not? Even if she didn't buy it, it was a terribly bad move imo.
2) If you go back and read my first posts in this thread, I believe I never had any confirmation bias. I admitted I knew very little about her, her stances, socialism, and how it's frustrating I kept seeing the media report conflicting things about her - like who do I believe? I even asked for things to read up on to educate myself about things in this thread.
If you want to be intellectually honest with yourself (you don't) you started the thread and are the champion of confirmation bias in regards to Ocasio Cortez.
3) When you say I'm saying I'm spreading fake news, what are you referencing? The CNN clip I posted you quoted me on? If so, I too agree CNN (and many others) report fake news. What was fake about the interview I posted though?
4) How did I insult her? Because I mentioned her suit? Sigh... I guess this makes me sexist too, right?

I didn't really have an opinion on her when this thread started because I knew nothing of her. My two cents on her now is she talks big and is incapable of backing it up. It's great and refreshing to see a young, motivated, minority and woman do well in politics. However, I expect politicians to be educated (not saying she's not, but she certainly shows ignorance a lot,) articulate, willing to engage in debates, and know why they support certain issues and be able to explain why.

On paper, she seems like the person the left needs. Imo, she's not going to help the left beat what we currently have now. I can admit, I'm certainly not an expert on this - it doesn't hurt my pride. It's nice being able to recognize both the good and bad of political views on all sides.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/nyregion/julia-salazar-jewish-senate-democrat.html

This was an interesting read from the NYTs for me and I have a few thoughts.

1) She's certainly a politician catering to people's confirmation biasses* (not sure if that's the right spelling.):D Still the best thing to happen to politics? To me, she fits right in with being, well, a politician.

2) I respect her for having changed political parties and stances (lord know how much I've changed in the last 10 years) However, I'd respect her more if she was less misleading, more honest and didn't try and push false narratives like... like... politicians do.
 
Archie Moses said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/nyregion/julia-salazar-jewish-senate-democrat.html

This was an interesting read from the NYTs for me and I have a few thoughts.

1) She's certainly a politician catering to people's confirmation biasses* (not sure if that's the right spelling.):D Still the best thing to happen to politics? To me, she fits right in with being, well, a politician.

2) I respect her for having changed political parties and stances (lord know how much I've changed in the last 10 years) However, I'd respect her more if she was less misleading, more honest and didn't try and push false narratives like... like... politicians do.
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Way too young. She's still largely forming her view of the world.

Wisdom is probably the most underrated thing in American politics. The popular calls for term limits are case in point.
 
No one has accused an American politician of being wise in at least 30 years. Maybe 50.
 
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