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So tell me where those 1 in 4 stats come from and how do you know they are reliable. You have a source? I would say that maybe there are 1 in 4 women who are attractive enough to excite desire in men but not all men are going to harass them. Unless maybe you are a mentally-ill person like Cosby or Jerry Sandusky, and the latter didn't like women.
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When did I say most claims are false -- I said most claims don't have evidence -- you're putting words in my mouth. That article doesn't make a case anywhere that most claims are true, either. Furthermore, while I didn't support Kavanaugh, I don't believe Ford. I think this was an engineered ploy to prevent his nomination, which on the other hand, I opposed.
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b_line
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Quit ****ing talking
Bawse Dawg
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People do get falsely accused.
That happens with every type of thing, not just this. People get falsely accused of theft by eye witness at a similar rate to falsely accused of sexual assault. But we generally believe the eye witness if theft and people are convicted based on that eye witness all the time. But for some reason we test this differently.
No one needs to be worried about being falsely accused of sexual assault that doesn't do it. The number of times that happens is very small and very rare and usually the truth comes out eventually.
In the other hand millions of women are being sexually assaulted and most of those men are getting away with it and the women are getting no justice. It's a huge huge problem.
It's time to start believing women. History and evidence is on their side in regards to this as a whole.
I would rather one guy get falsely accused and lose a job. Which isn't that big of a deal. If that makes millions of women stop getting assaulted.
That happens with every type of thing, not just this. People get falsely accused of theft by eye witness at a similar rate to falsely accused of sexual assault. But we generally believe the eye witness if theft and people are convicted based on that eye witness all the time. But for some reason we test this differently.
No one needs to be worried about being falsely accused of sexual assault that doesn't do it. The number of times that happens is very small and very rare and usually the truth comes out eventually.
In the other hand millions of women are being sexually assaulted and most of those men are getting away with it and the women are getting no justice. It's a huge huge problem.
It's time to start believing women. History and evidence is on their side in regards to this as a whole.
I would rather one guy get falsely accused and lose a job. Which isn't that big of a deal. If that makes millions of women stop getting assaulted.
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This is irrelevant to the discussion. It's more about what Keillor actually did and whether it was just in firing him. I would grant that there is one legit accusation but I believe the others are questionable, and using stats that are not specific to the case as facts against him, is disingenuous and don't prove anything and only whip up emotion against him.
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We aren't treating this differently. In the past, we did, but now the pendulum has swing in the opposite direction. Many people who are accused by the MeToo movement are assumed to be guilty without recourse to defend themselves.
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Great post.
This in particular bears repeating:
That happens with every type of thing, not just this. People get falsely accused of theft by eye witness at a similar rate to falsely accused of sexual assault. But we generally believe the eye witness if theft and people are convicted based on that eye witness all the time. But for some reason we test this differently.
Women aren't harassed just because of their looks. You really need to do some research on this subject. You are very uneducated on this.
Generally it has more to do with power over someone than being turned on and unable to control themselves.
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Like maybe this guy meant well and didn’t read the room... but you have workplace romances and write email love letters and one of the consequences is you get canned.Joke around about this stuff and you get canned... I don’t care if it happens all the time or is just a joke... you get to lose your job if it is inappropriate and someone is uncomfortable. Go to the bar or the internet to find a date... leave it out of the workplace unless you are willing to lose your job.
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Lol what the **** is this
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Who are you to say ... you have something intelligent to say? Listen, I've said my piece and I'll let the rest of you to hash it out but don't attack me. This is my opinion and I think I have defended it to the best of my ability. If you want to disagree that's your prerogative and right in a democratic society, and my right to give my opinion. I am not a hater of women; I'm a hater of untruth and injustice.
b_line
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No.
If the company wanted to fire him for the allegations, they have every right.
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You also have a horrible opinion. And you have proven yourself to be a drama queen in the past, as well as harassing other members of the board in their real lives.
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You're smart enough to understand, I think, if you are a man. If you're one of the other 3/4 of the opposite sex who are not so physically attractive, you are probably insulted but I'm only speaking my opinion. Sexiness and beauty is in the eye of the beholder; none of us are attracted to nearly every other person of the opposite sex ...
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It’s really easy... just put yourself in the woman’s shoes... a powerful dude at work send you “love letter” emails and says things that indicate he’s aroused by you... even if you say no and that’s the end of it you’ve been put in an impossible situation.
No it had not swing the other way. It's not even close. We are treating it different.
Should we stop convicting people of other crimes such as theft when all we have is an eye witness? Should we stop believing store owners who say someone stole from them and they identify that person because every once in a blue moon someone is falsely accused?
Men are still getting away with sexually assaulting women at an extremely high rate. It will never reach a point of swinging the other way. It will never reach a point of more men are being falsely accused than men getting away with sexually harassment or worse.
Do you have any women in you're life you are close to? Have you talked to them about being harassed? You should... And you should believe them.
Bawse Dawg
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If you want to spout horrible opinions in a public forum then you will be called out for it. That's the game.
If you have a point it was completely lost with your attitude, and complete lack of perspective on the issue.
If you really consider yourself a good person, and want things to improve for all people, and aren't just some dude who's feeling squeamish because the world is changing, and ****** things guys used to get away with isn't so common anymore. Then I implore you to broaden your horizons a bit, try to find some sympathy and perspective from the other side. You have never been a women in any of these situations. So how about just thinking about how it might feel for a bit.
Men don't need your help staying on top in this world. They are doing just fine.