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Marcus said:
Of all people to start this thread... please enlighten us with your in depth analysis.
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I don't get it. What's wrong with discussing the debate? Why can't I start up this thread? I don't get it. Where are you going with this?

I actually missed it because of work. So I was hoping that those who watched or read about it could give their thoughts and impressions.

However, from the sounds of it some of you might not have been impressed. What's wrong Marcus, embarrassed by your dogs?
 
I don't think any of these guys stand a chance against Obama. Romney is probably the best candidate but is pretty much unelectable by being LDS.
 
cowhide said:
I watched a little of it. Pretty much the same old Republican talk. Bash Obama and no new solutions.
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This is the most generic statement in politics. Here is the unmodified version used by every politician everywhere.

I watched a little of it. Pretty much the same old <insert party> talk. Bash <insert president and/or candidate from other party> and no new solutions.
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Just fill in the blanks,

Go back 6 years and it would read:

I watched a little of it. Pretty much the same old Democrat talk. Bash Bush and no new solutions
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Chad Feldheimer said:
I don't think any of these guys stand a chance against Obama. Romney is probably the best candidate but is pretty much unelectable by being LDS.
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I dunno - I think a lot of the young people who voted for Obama in 2008 are now or are about to be unemployed or underemployed college graduates with 50K+ in college loan debt.

While they may not vote republican next year a lot of them may very well stay home.
 
candrew said:
I dunno - I think a lot of the young people who voted for Obama in 2008 are now or are about to be unemployed or underemployed college graduates with 50K+ in college loan debt.

While they may not vote republican next year a lot of them may very well stay home.
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I qualify under those credentials, but I don't think that will be the case. I think the prevailing opinion for people like me is "Damn, Obama's great and really provokes and accentuates the best things about this country. But hell, if he isn't surrounded by the most asinine, retarded, self serving morons in all other areas of government"
 
So instead of blaming everything on the Democrats, why don't some of you post your thoughts and feelings of the debate? Who impressed? Who didn't? We all already know the game of politics is dirty.
 
The-Joker said:
I qualify under those credentials, but I don't think that will be the case. I think the prevailing opinion for people like me is "Damn, Obama's great and really provokes and accentuates the best things about this country. But hell, he has no idea how to run the country or how to get us out of the mess we're in."
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Fixed.
 
Didn't watch or listen, but have been hearing/reading some commentary...

everyone seemed amused by Michelle Backman's announcement that she's officially going to announce her candidacy for the Presidency in the near future

One interesting point made by a couple different folks that I hadn't really thought of - the purpose of this debate/event at this point in time is NOT to impress voters and try to win voter support, but to impress DONORS and try to win donor support. Many commentators seemed to feel most of the participants did a pretty good job at this for their particular niche.


Seemed to be some general disappointment that the participants didn't really articulate their own ideas/visions but spent much of their time ridiculing Obama.
 
moevillini said:
Didn't watch or listen, but have been hearing/reading some commentary...

everyone seemed amused by Michelle Backman's announcement that she's officially going to announce her candidacy for the Presidency in the near future

One interesting point made by a couple different folks that I hadn't really thought of - the purpose of this debate/event at this point in time is NOT to impress voters and try to win voter support, but to impress DONORS and try to win donor support. Many commentators seemed to feel most of the participants did a pretty good job at this for their particular niche.


Seemed to be some general disappointment that the participants didn't really articulate their own ideas/visions but spent much of their time ridiculing Obama.
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I think you hit the nail on the head here.

Besides, weren't they given only 30 seconds to explain their position/view? Difficult to discuss anything in 30 seconds, especially complex issues such as health care.

Ultimately though, I'm not sure if the old strategy of bashing the other side is going to work in 2012. I think Americans are going to demand for specifics. And I'm not sure if they're going to go by the typical one liners, "Free market" as they have before... I could be wrong though...
 
The Thriller said:
I think Americans are going to demand for specifics.
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I've watched debates dating back to Ford/Carter and one thing I have learned is that rarely, if ever, does the politician that takes the high road win. It doesn't matter how well he lays out his plan or articulates his vision there will need to be some mud slinging. Every election cycle you hear how acerbic this particular election is. People have short term memories. It's this bad every election.
 
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...n_cain_lead_the_pack_among_gop_primary_voters

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney continues to lead the race for the Republican nomination, but Michele Bachmann has surged into second place following her Monday night entry into the campaign.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely GOP Primary Voters, taken following the candidates’ Monday night debate, shows Romney earning 33% support, with Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann a surprise second at 19%. Georgia businessman Herman Cain is in third place with 10% of the vote.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich picks up nine percent (9%) support, followed by Texas Congressman Ron Paul with seven percent (7%), ex-Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty at six percent (6%) and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum also earning six percent (6%). Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman, who did not participate in the debate but is expected to announce his candidacy on Tuesday, gets two percent (2%) of the vote. Eight percent (8%) prefer some other candidate. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Romney and Bachmann are tied among primary voters who say they are Tea Party members, with 26% support each. Romney holds a 36% to 16% lead over the congresswoman among non-members. Most primary voters regard all the candidates with the exception of Huntsman as conservative, but Bachmann is seen as the most conservative.

In late April, billionaire developer Donald Trump led the pack with 19% support, followed by Romney at 17% and former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee with 15%. Trump and Huckabee have since announced that they are not running. Bachmann was the leader among the second-tier candidates at that time.

(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

The survey of 1,000 Likely GOP Primary Voters was conducted on June 14, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. Likely GOP Primary Voters include both Republicans and unaffiliated voters likely to vote in a GOP Primary. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

For the third week in a row, a generic Republican candidate leads President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 election matchup. But while 54% of Likely Voters nationwide think Obama is qualified to be president, Romney is the only 2012 Republican hopeful that a sizable number of voters feel that way about.

There is little difference of opinion among male and female GOP primary voters, although women give Romney slightly more support. The gap between Romney and Bachmann is narrowest among middle-aged primary voters.

Romney, Bachmann and Cain earn 31%, 22% and 12% support respectively among primary voters who describe themselves as conservatives. Romney runs strongest among party moderates.

Seventy-five percent (75%) of primary voters describe Bachmann as at least somewhat conservative. That includes 55% who say she is Very Conservative.
By contrast, 61% rate Romney as at least somewhat conservative, but that includes just 11% who say he is Very Conservative. Fifty-seven percent (57%) think Cain is at least somewhat conservative, with 32% who view him as Very Conservative.

Gingrich is seen as at least somewhat conservative by 68% of likely primary voters, with 35% who feel he is Very Conservative. Similarly, 63% say Paul is at least somewhat conservative, including 39% who think he is Very Conservative. Pawlenty is seen as at least somewhat conservative by 59%, but only 19% say he’s Very Conservative.

Fifty-eight percent (58%) think Santorum is at least somewhat conservative, including 30% who view him as Very Conservative. Just 31%, however, say Huntsman is at least somewhat conservative, with seven percent (7%) who rate him Very Conservative. Another 20% characterize him as a moderate, but a sizable 40% don’t know enough about him to venture any kind of opinion of his political views.

Huntsman is the least known of the declared or soon-to-be declared candidates.
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I found the bold section most interesting. Unless Huntsman can really change his image he doesn't stand a chance.

I also found it interesting that Romney shows well with the Tea Party. Bachman and Palin are their darlings and for Romney to tie Bachman is very interesting. Tea Party leaders have repeatedly said that Romney is decidedly not their candidate.
 
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