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@chadfordinsider Chad Ford : Enes Kanter returning to Cleveland for 2nd workout on the 20th per his agent Max Ergul. Interesting
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@chadfordinsider Chad Ford : Kyrie told me he did just the Cavs workout. Didn't sound confident, however, he was going to Cavs. "You never know how draft will work out."
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Wow..

I think this could mean:

Cavs taking Kanter @ #1
Minny taking Irving or DWill_2 @ #2
Jazz taking Irving or DWill_2 @ #3
Cavs taking Knight @ #4

If I were Cavs, I'd definitely do this. This scenario basically guarantees Cavs getting Knight at #4 cos there's no way Jazz is gonna pass on either Irving or DWill_2 to take Knight.
 
As a jazz fan, this would be the best possible scenario because it ensures that BPA is at a position of need, be it Williams or Irving.

If the draft goes Irving, Williams, I'd still take Kanter third, but it's easy to see why we may be more apprehensive in a situation like that as opposed to being able to both hit a need AND take someone who is clearly BPA.

Kanter going #1 = Happy Jazz fans.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I'd take DWill_2 with open arms..

He fits both the BPA and our need at SF..

How often do you get that??
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Except for the fact that DWill 2 has never played SF, that is a great plan.

DWill 2 hasn't defended the SF position.
DWill 2 has always been guarded by 4s, not 3s.
DWill 2 ballhandling is questionable.

Other than that, GREAT plan.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I'd take DWill_2 with open arms..

He fits both the BPA and our need at SF..

How often do you get that??
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If the Jazz feel DWill2 can eventually start at SF, that would be an absolutely unbelievable scenario. DWill-Hayward-Favors would all create size mismatches at their positions. Then, if Sacramento takes Kemba, perhaps Jimmer falls to #12. I'd join Colton in bouncing off the walls.
 
Listening to 1320 KFAN. Bolerjack made a good point. He said just because the Cavs were working Kanter out again doesn't mean they're gonna take him at one. It just means they think he's going to be available at four.
 
This doesn't mean that the Cavs a guaranteed to take him. In fact, I'm not sure if it even increases the odds that they're taking him.

However, if I were Cleveland and had so many holes to fill, I'd take Kanter and whichever PG is available at #4.
 
Tony said:
Listening to 1320 KFAN. Bolerjack made a good point. He said just because the Cavs were working Kanter out again doesn't mean they're gonna take him at one. It just means they think he's going to be available at four.
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Alright then, how about this..

@Jerry Zgoda: Kanter's agent says his guy going back to Cavs on Mon for 2nd workout and to meet owner. Says they're not auditioning for No. 4...
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I think this is how it is. Cavs are deciding whether to go with Kanter or Valanciunus.

If they choose Kanter: Then they need to pick him #1 and pick Knight #4 (cos they can't risk Minny or Jazz picking Kanter)

If they choose Valanciunus: In this scenario Cavs take Irving #1, Minny will take DWill_2 and Jazz will take either Kanter or Knight. Then Cavs can just pick Valanciunus at #4.

I think they're looking at Kanter again to see if he's worth the drop off from having to settle with Knight at #4 by not picking Irving at #1.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Alright then, how about this..



I think this is how it is. Cavs are deciding whether to go with Kanter or Valanciunus.

If they choose Kanter: Then they need to pick him #1 and pick Knight #4 (cos they can't risk Minny or Jazz picking Kanter)

If they choose Valanciunus: In this scenario Cavs take Irving #1, Minny will take DWill_2 and Jazz will take either Kanter or Knight. Then Cavs can just pick Valanciunus at #4.

I think they're looking at Kanter again to see if he's worth the drop off from having to settle with Knight at #4 by not picking Irving at #1.
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Nice analysis. I'm not sure if it's accurate, but nice analysis.
 
Tony said:
Listening to 1320 KFAN. Bolerjack made a good point. He said just because the Cavs were working Kanter out again doesn't mean they're gonna take him at one. It just means they think he's going to be available at four.
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This.

Or, if they REALLY love him, then they'd consider making a trade, if necessary, to move up and get him.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Alright then, how about this..



I think this is how it is. Cavs are deciding whether to go with Kanter or Valanciunus.

If they choose Kanter: Then they need to pick him #1 and pick Knight #4 (cos they can't risk Minny or Jazz picking Kanter)

If they choose Valanciunus: In this scenario Cavs take Irving #1, Minny will take DWill_2 and Jazz will take either Kanter or Knight. Then Cavs can just pick Valanciunus at #4.

I think they're looking at Kanter again to see if he's worth the drop off from having to settle with Knight at #4 by not picking Irving at #1.
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Yes, good stuff. Why are you so confident they are that high on Valanciunus?
 
Harcher said:
Yes, good stuff. Why are you so confident they are that high on Valanciunus?
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I have a feeling that they like at at #4 (if DWill_2 and Kanter are gone) in that second scenario.

He's got good upside and can be an anchor for them at Center - so again he would be the BPA and fill a need at Center for them.

After him I think it's no secret there's a significant drop off in talent, potential & upside.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I think this is how it is. Cavs are deciding whether to go with Kanter or Valanciunus.

If they choose Kanter: Then they need to pick him #1 and pick Knight #4 (cos they can't risk Minny or Jazz picking Kanter)
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I agree they're likely debating between Kanter and Valanciunus at #4, but if they decide they like Kanter better, I think they'll still pick him at 4. And if he's not there, then they'll pick Valanciunus and still be happy - because whether they get the guy they really want at #4 or not, he's still Enes Kanter and this is still a weak draft.
 
I agree with the Valunciunus angle, and have posted the same. CLvland can really take any of the top 4 players at #1 and still land Jonas at #4. If you are building an NBA team and you don't have an elite wing (clvland doesn't and there are none available in this draft) you build around pgs and Centers. Jonas is a true center with huge potential.

But say he turns out to be just Marc Gasol and not Paul Gasol--it doesn't matter to Clvland because the 4th pick is like a free play, a do-over, a free shot. It cost them next to nothing.
 
mellow said:
I agree with the Valunciunus angle, and have posted the same. CLvland can really take any of the top 4 players at #1 and still land Jonas at #4. If you are building an NBA team and you don't have an elite wing (clvland doesn't and there are none available in this draft) you build around pgs and Centers. Jonas is a true center with huge potential.

But say he turns out to be just Marc Gasol and not Paul Gasol--it doesn't matter to Clvland because the 4th pick is like a free play, a do-over, a free shot. It cost them next to nothing.
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I hear what you're saying, but if they think there is a chance that Kanter can become an All Star (with his offensive potential), then I don't think they'd wanna be the team passing on him.

If Valanciunus' ceiling is Chandler..

Kanter's ceiling has to be Nowitzki..
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Wow..

I think this could mean:

Cavs taking Kanter @ #1
Minny taking Irving or DWill_2 @ #2
Jazz taking Irving or DWill_2 @ #3
Cavs taking Knight @ #4

If I were Cavs, I'd definitely do this. This scenario basically guarantees Cavs getting Knight at #4 cos there's no way Jazz is gonna pass on either Irving or DWill_2 to take Knight.
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You have a really great imagination...you should write children's books.
 
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