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Jimmer (I was a skeptic as well)

Who does Sacramento want more - Jimmer or Kemba? If we take someone other than Knight at #3 then we are most likely forcing Sacramento to choose between the two and then whoever is left over after will most likely be left at #12. I really don't get why we just don't go big at #3 and then take whichever PG is left at #12 as I don't think the gap between Knight, Jimmer & Kemba is very big.
 
Who does Sacramento want more - Jimmer or Kemba? If we take someone other than Knight at #3 then we are most likely forcing Sacramento to choose between the two and then whoever is left over after will most likely be left at #12. I really don't get why we just don't go big at #3 and then take whichever PG is left at #12 as I don't think the gap between Knight, Jimmer & Kemba is very big.

This.
 
The answer to our problem:

Draft... whoever at 3.

Trade our #12 pick and Raja Bell and CJ Miles to Sac town for #7 and Omri Cassipi.

Although I think there are a few guys that will be available at 12 that I like, I think this isn't a bad trade at all.
 
I'm still mixed on Jimmer. I think he could be like D.Will without the drives to the rim. However, half of D.Will's game was being able to make drives to the rim. I'm not sure if a throwback PG is going to be an impact player in today's league.
 
I'm still mixed on Jimmer. I think he could be like D.Will without the drives to the rim. However, half of D.Will's game was being able to make drives to the rim. I'm not sure if a throwback PG is going to be an impact player in today's league.

Jimmer drove plenty in college, with lots of body contact. Many scouts/experts have commented on how strong he is. He did bench as much or more than many bigs in the combine. He's one tough cookie.

Jimmer, to me, seems like a guy that learns from his mistakes and becomes even more efficient. I don't see him forcing bad shots in the NBA as much. I think, if nothing else, he runs around and wears out the defense while making a few daggers would be worth having on the team.

He gives great effort. He shoots a very high FT%, so he could be our Korver at the end of games. I can just see so many great uses for this kid.
 
You are wrong that he won't have to work as hard in the NBA to get open. The first time he drops 30 on some team that slacks off, he will be in the sights of defenses across the league. The pressure will be much greater in the end, unless he just can't get it done, then he won't have any pressure at all. Like Boozer.
 
You are wrong that he won't have to work as hard in the NBA to get open. The first time he drops 30 on some team that slacks off, he will be in the sights of defenses across the league. The pressure will be much greater in the end, unless he just can't get it done, then he won't have any pressure at all. Like Boozer.

Well, whatever the case, he's shown that he learns and adapts. If they slack off or not, they'll run some screens and no problem. If they smother him, he's shown he can find the open man with some clever passing. He's not the ideal PG but based on his continued effort, he'll only improve and get better. Look at the large improvements he made from year-to-year in college.
 
If Utah takes Kanter @ #3 and wants Jimmer @ #12, but he is gone, they will use next season's GSW/NJN pick alone or in combination with the #12.
I think there are strong PG prospects in the 2012 draft, like Kendall Marshall, Austin Rivers, and Marquis Teague, so it might be better to keep Devin Harris and the #12 this year wait for that new franchise PG next year
 
If Utah takes Kanter @ #3 and wants Jimmer @ #12, but he is gone, they will use next season's GSW/NJN pick alone or in combination with the #12.
I think there are strong PG prospects in the 2012 draft, like Kendall Marshall, Austin Rivers, and Marquis Teague, so it might be better to keep Devin Harris and the #12 this year wait for that new franchise PG next year

Yeah, there are decent PGs every year, and decent is all you need. I'm over the whole elite PG thing. But 2012 is much stronger at the wing than at the point. That's where the Jazz can get their starting SF - unless they think Williams can handle the position.
 
Yeah, there are decent PGs every year, and decent is all you need. I'm over the whole elite PG thing. But 2012 is much stronger at the wing than at the point. That's where the Jazz can get their starting SF - unless they think Williams can handle the position.

The Jazz haven't always been patient enough to build through the draft and I think that's been the biggest reason why they haven't won it all yet. They get just enough talent to do well but never enough to be dominant, except for a couple seasons. Even during the Stockalone years, they didn't ever get that extra talent needed to get past Jordippen. ;)

I would really like to see the Jazz pick the BPA at every opportunity and keep doing that. They need to build up a talented roster like OKC did. That means being patient and acquiring more draft picks through trades or purchases. If someone doesn't fit, then trade for another pick or a different player.

If done correctly, will take a few seasons to get every position truly covered. Of course, we already have some nice players in certain positions, I just think we need more talent like we've been getting lately, more lottery talent to go along with the ones with heart. Make sense?
 
I was actually hoping his workouts would go poorly, so he could slide to 12, but now I think there is a little chance he falls to us. Think about the draft prospects. You got, Irving, Kanter, Knight, Williams, Biyomobo, Jonas, Walker who perhaps have a better upside. And even out of these 7 there are some, like Walker, who may not even better prospects. Regardless, Jimmer is definitely top 8 in this draft. Maybe, maybe we can add Motiejunas to this list of top guys, making it 9. So, if we get Jimmer at 12, it would be huge. If you look at other guys outside these 8-9, I am just not that excited.

M Morris is undersized (6-7 without shoes) PF, Junior, who will be 22 in a few months. At almost the same age as Jimmer, he did not have anywhere near a good career Jimmer did, and Jimmer is actually more athletic, and not undersized.

Vesely is 21, who played just all right for a pretty bad Adriatic League in Europe. Can't shoot the ball to save his life. Just has a bust written all over him.

Singleton, while a good defender at College level, brings 43% shooting from PF spot, en route to just 13 ppg. Also turns 22 later this year. He just has nowhere near Jimmer's accomplishments.

Leonard is another unexciting prospect. He did not face great competition and only managed to shoot 44% FG from the forward spot, which is very little. Especially given level of opposition. Has no 3 point range either. Granted he is a sophomore and a good rebounder, but his poor FG shooting numbers actually have gone down from his freshman year. Just not that exciting as a prospect.

Brooks is also a senior, but has not accomplished as much as Jimmer.
 
The Jazz haven't always been patient enough to build through the draft and I think that's been the biggest reason why they haven't won it all yet.
Criticizing the Jazz for lack of patience? Now I've heard everything. They are easily the most patient franchise in the NBA. I hear them routinely criticized for their methodical ways. Teams that have lots of high draft picks normally suck for a long time. Is that the sort of patience you'd like to see?
 
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