Democracy after Trump

[LoPo]

@LoPo
You can play the both parties card all you like but do both parties presidents and their candidates act like Trump does? Do both parties presidents tweet all day long and act like weirdos every time they get in front of a camera? Do both parties presidents have job resumes that with no political experience and having the TV show The Apprentice on it? Do both parties presidents have catch phrases like "your fired"?

LeBron and Raul neto are both NBA basketball player so since they have that in common they are the same obviously. Just like both parties do some ****ed up **** sometimes so they are the same too. Doesn't matter that LeBron is a much better basketball player than neto and doesn't matter that one party does worse **** more frequently than the other. They are all the same right?


I'd like to get into more, but I know I'm wasting my time hoping you would be objective anyway.
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I'm not trying to play the card; I was just stating the obvious.

I can't stand how Trump acts. He acts like a pompous jerk. I was shocked that he got elected and even more shocked that he hasn't been more intentional about acting presidential.

At the end of the day, I want my president to do his job. I want him to help create the policies which allow more Americans to be successful. I want him to help create a country that more people can make a living and support their families. Sure Trump is a jackass and he embarrasses us through his tweets and mannerisms, but I don't rate his job on those things. I rate his job on the economy, if we aren't at war with any other country, how much I bring home each month, etc. Those are the things that really matter to me.

 

[LoPo]

Always nice when the sports dummies come over to this forum and prove themselves to be regular dummies as well.

Please elaborate or are you just taking the media stance of making fun of somebody instead of talking about the things that really matter?

 

[Gameface]

Democrats are just as corrupt as Republicans. In TN, the left has been registering dead voters for years. And that's in addition to promising stuff to local communities just so they can ship them to polling stations the day of voting. It's pretty despicable.

Speaking of corruption, just look at this whole Russia thing. So, some Russian special intelligence person hacks into the Democratic National Convention messages and exposes their corruption. In the messages, there are clear conversations about how the DNC colluded against Bernie, paid people to start fights at Trump rallies and more. Since Trump got elected, all the media left and Democrats want to do is link Trump to the hacking Russians rather than talk about how messed up it is that the DNC colluded against Bernie, tried to mess up Trump rallies, etc.

It's so stupid yet people are dumb. Biased people are even dumber (and that goes for both sides). But for the left to be so outraged at Trump maybe being involved with Russians who exposed the DNC dark secrets is just laughable. It's about as bad as D'Angelo Russell being the bad guy because he leaked that his teammate was cheating on his girlfriend/wife. If you weren't a scumbag cheating on your girlfriend/wife, it wouldn't be a story to begin with. Take responsibility for your actions, get better and move on.

I think the exposure of the way the DNC jobbed Bernie is a HUGE reason why Trump got elected. There were many people who might normally side with the Democrats, or independent voters who otherwise would have voted for Hillary over Trump, but that scandal either kept them from voting or led them to hold their nose and vote for Trump. I knew MANY MANY people who said they just couldn't vote for Hillary because of how corrupt she is. Please don't act like nobody noticed, Trump got ****ing elected and he's a steaming pile of ****.

 

[LoPo]

I think the exposure of the way the DNC jobbed Bernie is a HUGE reason why Trump got elected. There were many people who might normally side with the Democrats, or independent voters who otherwise would have voted for Hillary over Trump, but that scandal either kept them from voting or led them to hold their nose and vote for Trump. I knew MANY MANY people who said they just couldn't vote for Hillary because of how corrupt she is. Please don't act like nobody noticed, Trump got ****ing elected and he's a steaming pile of ****.

Exactly. And it's funny you say that.

My college roommate's Dad was in the secret service assigned to Mrs. Clinton. The Dad said he would never in a million years vote for Hillary Clinton. He said the things he saw and the level of her power hungry corruption made him sick.

So when everything was leaked about Bernie, the Trump rally stuff, etc., he was not shocked one bit. And Hillary being Hillary cost her an election she should have won going away.

 

[gandalfe]

Exactly. And it's funny you say that.

My college roommate's Dad was in the secret service assigned to Mrs. Clinton. The Dad said he would never in a million years vote for Hillary Clinton. He said the things he saw and the level of her power hungry corruption made him sick.

So when everything was leaked about Bernie, the Trump rally stuff, etc., he was not shocked one bit. And Hillary being Hillary cost her an election she should have won going away.

No secret service person should EVER say ANYTHING about their assignees. Maybe years later, but not while they're assigned.

 

[fishonjazz]

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At the end of the day, I want my president to do his job. I want him to help create the policies which allow more Americans to be successful. I want him to help create a country that more people can make a living and support their families. Sure Trump is a jackass and he embarrasses us through his tweets and mannerisms, but I don't rate his job on those things. I rate his job on the economy, if we aren't at war with any other country, how much I bring home each month, etc. Those are the things that really matter to me.

Tell me about these policies he created to help more people be more successful. And how he is helping more people support their families.

I know he has helped the rich get richer big time. (of course)
And my paycheck got about 12 dollars bigger per week while everything I use my money to buy went up in cost as well giving me a net loss. While the deficit balloons hurting the future of my daughter and the earth environment gets worse hurting the future of my daughter. While he says racist and sexist crap which hurts the country. While he says and does things which divide the citizens of our country more than ever.
Sure he has been great about not starting any wars in other countries (while ever increasing military spending lol) but he is lighting a spark in our own country that is turning the left against the right and vice versa more than ever. He is basically declaring war on "the left"/liberals/Dems by the things he says and does. And he seems to be at war with decency and truth as well.

Those things don't matter to you apparently as long as you have a job and your paycheck is a bit bigger. You are easy. I think you should demand more than that from your president.
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[One Brow]

Just my two cents....
- both political parties are corrupt so don't try the all high and mighty from either side.

Agreed.

- both parties do their best to rig elections. Whether it's voter suppression or registering dead people, it's wrong.

Who's registering dead people? Do these dead people vote? Voter suppression is real and affects elections.

- race relations have been an issue long before Trump. He doesn't help things but also the media slants everything negative anyway. The guy could cure cancer but the media would say he only wanted to cure it for white people. The media sucks.

Trump actively hurts, as opposed to just "not helping".

- if people want to complain about global warming, don't drive your car. Once you stop that, I can take you seriously.

I take the train (electric commuter rail) to my day job.

 

[LoPo]

No secret service person should EVER say ANYTHING about their assignees. Maybe years later, but not while they're assigned.

It was years later. And he told his son who told one of his best friends.

Much like the Democrats complaining about the Russians who released their dirty secrets. Who cares if he told me, his son, anybody or not? Isn't the information more important than how the information was made known? He didn't say any specifics but clearly said - I know her and I would never vote for her.

 

[Zombie]

Hard to take anyone seriously who claims both sides are the same but spends all their time minimizing the actual crimes of one group while blowing out of proportion the intraparty squabbles of the other.

 

[LoPo]

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Tell me about these policies he created to help more people be more successful. And how he is helping more people support their families.

I know he has helped the rich get richer big time. (of course)
And my paycheck got about 12 dollars bigger per week while everything I use my money to buy went up in cost as well giving me a net loss. While the deficit balloons hurting the future of my daughter and the earth environment gets worse hurting the future of my daughter. While he says racist and sexist crap which hurts the country. While he says and does things which divide the citizens of our country more than ever.
Sure he has been great about not starting any wars in other countries (while ever increasing military spending lol) but he is lighting a spark in our own country that is turning the left against the right and vice versa more than ever. He is basically declaring war on "the left"/liberals/Dems by the things he says and does. And he seems to be at war with decency and truth as well.

Those things don't matter to you apparently as long as you have a job and your paycheck is a bit bigger. You are easy. I think you should demand more than that from your president.
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I said I want my president to do his job more than win a popularity contest. As for his success, it's still too early to tell. Republicans could claim the economy, unemployment rates, etc. as wins for the President, but I think it's too soon to tell. Democrats will tell you that Obama is to credit for that, but there is no coincidence that the economy spiked and has stayed strong since Trump got elected. I will make my personal decision on his effectiveness in a couple years when I vote.

The deficit is flawed anyway. I just hope like hell that the US dollar stays as the world currency or we are screwed. As long as we print money to pay bills, we are in a flawed system. But I get what you are saying. I have three kids myself.

I think the "racist Trump" narrative is overblown. At the end of the day, I don't think Trump gives a rats *** about any group. He cares about green. If the media liked him or if he was a Democrat, the racist stuff wouldn't exist. It's a terrible plan by the media left, but their whole plan is to paint this picture that he is some old cranky white guy who hates all minorities. A good example - he said that drug dealers and rapists come into the country from Mexico when we don't have secure borders. Somehow, the media made it seem like he called all Mexicans drug dealers and rapists. Stuff like that has to be taken into context of the source and their spin.

As for race relations at large, our country was a tipping point before he was ever a presidential candidate. We could get into that debate later, but the country was already in social chaos although I'm disappointed that he hasn't done more to calm the waters.

I'm not satisfied with Trump but I'm also not 100% disappointed either. He is the non-politician who is trying to do things differently. It was always going to be tough because of all the factors. He is rocking every boat, and people absolutely hate change. We have all worked in places where it's easier to complain about the change than see how things might be better in some respects due to the change.

 

[LoPo]

Hard to take anyone seriously who claims both sides are the same but spends all their time minimizing the actual crimes of one group while blowing out of proportion the intraparty squabbles of the other.

I never said both sides are the same. I said they are both imperfect.

I brought up the DNC shenanigans as an example because the thread is obviously slanted in that direction.

 

[Rubashov]

Wonder if anyone at the pentagon and secret service are discussing a Dallas like scenario...