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this team might just suck.

This team has some nice pieces and a great coach.

One big problem though is that there are at least 4 players who wouldn't be in the NBA if they weren't on the Jazz.
Dante Exum
Raul Neto
Thabo Sefolosha (as a 34 year old)
Georges Niang

There's also an argument to add Royce O'Neale, but I think he'd have a spot in the NBA given his defense and 38% 3 point shooter. Those four players listed above though are playing such woeful basketball this season.

The schedule isn't getting much easier. The Jazz play in the toughest division in the NBA. At the end of the year they'll be right near the top in the most difficult schedules played.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
This team has some nice pieces and a great coach.

One big problem though is that there are at least 4 players who wouldn't be in the NBA if they weren't on the Jazz.
Dante Exum
Raul Neto
Thabo Sefolosha (as a 34 year old)
Georges Niang

There's also an argument to add Royce O'Neale, but I think he'd have a spot in the NBA given his defense and 38% 3 point shooter. Those four players listed above though are playing such woeful basketball this season.

The schedule isn't getting much easier. The Jazz play in the toughest division in the NBA. At the end of the year they'll be right near the top in the most difficult schedules played.
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Dante will be in the NBA. He hasn't even been given a go to show anything. I'm telling you quin has done his best job to ruin him. I'm hoping Dante gets traded. He's the best athlete on the jazz. Terrible take no idea.
 
Jack Strop said:
Not really. Last year Utah had a brutal December schedule. One could argue that even WITH Gobert, Jazz may have only been a few games better.

Jazz have regressed while everyone else got better. There were no internal improvement jumps from guys like Dante, Mitchell and O'Neale. Jazz lost some depth in Jerebko by replacing him with "GLeague" Georges.

Lindsey stood still while other GM's ran circles around him.
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How is it DL's fault they young guys didn't improve? You're not going to bring in some volume scorer like Rudy Gay or Tyreke Evans to take shots away from Mitchell if you think he's the centerpiece of the offense going forward. Exum also I'm sure he thought could make a jump and contribute 13 points a game, he's at 6.7
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
This team has some nice pieces and a great coach.

One big problem though is that there are at least 4 players who wouldn't be in the NBA if they weren't on the Jazz.
Dante Exum
Raul Neto
Thabo Sefolosha (as a 34 year old)
Georges Niang

There's also an argument to add Royce O'Neale, but I think he'd have a spot in the NBA given his defense and 38% 3 point shooter. Those four players listed above though are playing such woeful basketball this season.

The schedule isn't getting much easier. The Jazz play in the toughest division in the NBA. At the end of the year they'll be right near the top in the most difficult schedules played.
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You make a good point, while I agree with your sentiment I think I disagree with you slightly. To me its not guys that would or wouldn't be in the NBA, the problem is those guys are asked to play bigger roles than they are capable of playing on a regular basis. And its not just Dante, Raul, Thabo or Georges, it is also Joe, Jae, Derek, and Rubio. The argument might also be made that Donovan as a sophmore sg is sometimes asked to do too much. If the Jazz want to be anything more than decidedly average they need a potential all-star to play in the the starting line-up thus moving the other players down into roles they are more suited for.

Now if only the fix was easy. Nearly every NBA team could make the same claim, that they are just one all-star away from whatever their goal is.

Lindsey and company have some work to do.
 
Jazz said:
Dante will be in the NBA. He hasn't even been given a go to show anything. I'm telling you quin has done his best job to ruin him. I'm hoping Dante gets traded. He's the best athlete on the jazz. Terrible take no idea.
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Your love of the Jazz and hope of Exum actually being good is clouding your judgement. The Jazz are holding on to him because they've invested so much and he is fast at least, I'll give him that. It's the sunk cost bias though.

Exum is injury prone, a career 30% 3 pt shooter and below shooting 40% on FGs. The dude's effective FG% this year is 45% That is so so bad.
 
Jazzta said:
Lol, here we go with the overreacting threads. Blow up the team!
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Ok, fair enough. At one point do we cross the line from 'over reacting' to 'properly reacting?" I mean, 1/4 of the season gone, two games below .500 and probably three games after tonight, third-to-last in West, multiple major egg laying games and blow-out losses (including a 40+ point loss to a very average Mavericks team), defense that's regressed in a big way, offense that's regressed with almost nobody who can shoot reliably from 3 (even Ingles has regressed from 3 and, frankly, isn't playing well consistently), losses to multiple teams missing their top player, losses to non-playoff teams that are almost must wins given the context, etc.

Last year's second half turnaround was an anomaly and hardly a blueprint for repeated success, yet that seems to be what many Jazz fans are counting on.

While fans do overreact, no doubt, I'm getting a bit weary of Jazz apologists on social media and elsewhere ginning up excuse after excuse to explain what has been, to date, a very disappointing season. Granted, if things turn around, I'll happily eat my words, but from where I sit, I'm not counting on another miraculous turnaround, and the Jazz need to pull their collective heads out and, soon, go on some kind of run.
 
Roy_McAvoy said:
Your love of the Jazz and hope of Exum actually being good is clouding your judgement. The Jazz are holding on to him because they've invested so much and he is fast at least, I'll give him that. It's the sunk cost bias though.

Exum is injury prone, a career 30% 3 pt shooter and below shooting 40% on FGs. The dude's effective FG% this year is 45% That is so so bad.
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That's cause when he comes in they have him standing in the corner. He's not that sort to player to stand in the corner.
 
Andy Bailey has an article about how we are the most inconsistent team in the league... pretty interesting. https://www.slcdunk.com/2018/12/17/...e-least-consistent-team-nba-toughest-schedule


The schedule has been brutal, so honestly even if we were more consistent or just playing better I think it really only makes a few win difference. The issue to me is the big losses. We play so bad some nights that if it continues we will lose games we should win... even when playing awful opponents (Cough* Orlando *Cough). I think we can take away from this tough schedule that the team has some significant flaws it needs to address.

If Joe, Donovan, or Rudy miss a 10-15 game stretch in the easy part of the season we are toast... being healthy is more important during the easy part of your schedule than the hard part.

We need more offensive creators and we need better outside shooters.... period.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Andy Bailey has an article about how we are the most inconsistent team in the league... pretty interesting. https://www.slcdunk.com/2018/12/17/...e-least-consistent-team-nba-toughest-schedule


The schedule has been brutal, so honestly even if we were more consistent or just playing better I think it really only makes a few win difference. The issue to me is the big losses. We play so bad some nights that if it continues we will lose games we should win... even when playing awful opponents (Cough* Orlando *Cough). I think we can take away from this tough schedule that the team has some significant flaws it needs to address.

If Joe, Donovan, or Rudy miss a 10-15 game stretch in the easy part of the season we are toast... being healthy is more important during the easy part of your schedule than the hard part.

We need more offensive creators and we need better outside shooters.... period.
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Did he blame it all on Rubio and say to start Exum? cuz that's his schtick .
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Did he blame it all on Rubio and say to start Exum? cuz that's his schtick .
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No, but he did note DM, Joe, and Exum's numbers in wins and losses... was weird he included Exum in that trio. I didn't sense an agenda on this one.
 
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