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D'Angelo Russell

Oh damn, I had not seen Russell's FTr stats. Yikes. That is concerning. I love his offensive creation and passing, as well as his shooting... and I do think he fits really well with Mitchell in theory. He's got PG feel and skills. But as I said earlier - he definitely has not done enough to deserve what it would probably take to get him. You will have to project a bit and you will have to trust in your development staff to refine his game and make him more efficient.

Unless there is some stat I'm misinterpreting, I just don't know why this FT rate is that big of a deal. Klay Thompson took 1.3 FT per game last year. Does that mean he isn't valuable? Jrue Holiday had 4 seasons where he shot the same or less FT per game than Russell this year. I wouldn't want to get Russell to be the one attacking all the time. I want Mitchell to be that guy. If I am not understanding this stat, I apologize.

Has anybody ever complained about Rubio's FT rate? I don't remember that ever being an issue. Rubio shoots 1.3 more FT per game than Russell. But people also have to remember - Rubio takes every technical free throw. I don't know the exact stat, but I would guess that he gets 1 FT per game simply from being the technical FT taker.
 
What would Russell's contact look like.
I would really like to get Russell but there is a limit on what I would want to pay

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Unless there is some stat I'm misinterpreting, I just don't know why this FT rate is that big of a deal. Klay Thompson took 1.3 FT per game last year. Does that mean he isn't valuable? Jrue Holiday had 4 seasons where he shot the same or less FT per game than Russell this year. I wouldn't want to get Russell to be the one attacking all the time. I want Mitchell to be that guy. If I am not understanding this stat, I apologize.

Has anybody ever complained about Rubio's FT rate? I don't remember that ever being an issue. Rubio shoots 1.3 more FT per game than Russell. But people also have to remember - Rubio takes every technical free throw. I don't know the exact stat, but I would guess that he gets 1 FT per game simply from being the technical FT taker.

There is a difference between a role player and a primary/secondary ballhandler not getting FTs. Klay doesn't handle the ball like... at all... he's got one of the fewest dribble per shot ratios in the history of the league from a perimeter player. He is not relied to break down the defense, he's not relied to drive, create advantage, etc. He's a finisher(of the possessions). Probably the best there has ever been in his role. He's like a... extremely souped up rich man's version of a Korver/Danny Green/JJ Redick types. There just aren't many opportunities for him to get fouled. When you are a PG and you have the ball in your hands in most possessions, not getting fouled means one of two things - you are either not aggressive enough, or you cannot create advantage situations where you put the opponent in compromised positions.

In a vacuum not getting fouled is not a problem if you are efficient enough. The problem is that Klay not getting fouled doesn't effect his efficiency which is extremely high(again he gets easier off-ball shots), while a primary/secondary ballhandler not getting fouls effects his efficiency partly because by the nature of his role he gets harder shots and he needs to supplement his efficiency through drawing fouls in order to prop it up.

Also... pure number of FTs isn't really a great stat(since it doesn't take into account how involved you are in the offense - the more involved you are the easier it is to get fouled). You should be looking at free throw rate(FTr), it's more indicative. Russell's FTr this year is .111... Rubio's is .277, which is about 2.5 times higher. And again you will not get much argument from me about Rubio's efficiency... he's always been inefficient offensive player. Which BTW is the case with Russell too... right now he's at 51% TS%... which is bad.
 
What would Russell's contact look like.
I would really like to get Russell but there is a limit on what I would want to pay

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My guess is that Russell gets between $20 and $25 million. I don't think he'll get that full $27.25 million max deal that either Brooklyn or another team can give. If he continues playing like he has the last month, he might get it, but I doubt it.

It is very important to remember that the salary cap increases by $7 million for 2019 ($109) and another $9 million in 2020 ($118). So teams will have $16 million more to spend by the time we hit 2020 than we do right now. As for the luxury, the limit jumps to $132 for next year and an amazing $143 in 2020.

A lot of guys will start getting $20 million contracts because it will only represent 1/6 of the cap number and 1/7 of the luxury number.
 
There is a difference between a role player and a primary/secondary ballhandler not getting FTs. Klay doesn't handle the ball like... at all... he's got one of the fewest dribble per shot ratios in the history of the league from a perimeter player. He is not relied to break down the defense, he's not relied to drive, create advantage, etc. He's a finisher. Probably the best there has ever been in his role. He's like a... extremely souped up rich man's version of a Korver/Danny Green/JJ Redick types. There just aren't many opportunities for him to get fouled. When you are a PG and you have the ball in your hands in most possessions, not getting fouled means one of two things - you are either not aggressive enough, or you cannot create advantage situations where you put the opponent in compromised positions.

In a vacuum not getting fouled is not a problem if you are efficient enough. The problem is that Klay not getting fouled doesn't effect his efficiency which is extremely high(again he gets easier off-ball shots), while a primary/secondary ballhandler not getting fouls effects his efficiency partly because by the nature of his role he gets harder shots and he needs to supplement his efficiency through drawing fouls in order to prop it up.

Also... pure number of FTs isn't really a great stat(since it doesn't take into account how involved you are in the offense - the more involved you are the easier it is to get fouled). You should be looking at free throw rate(FTr), it's more indicative. Russell's FTr this year is .111... Rubio's is .277, which is about 2.5 times higher. And again you will not get much argument from me about Rubio's efficiency... he's always been inefficient offensive player. Which BTW is the case with Russell too... right now he's at 51% TS%... which is bad.

Thank you for the information. I do appreciate it. The comparison for Klay was a great breakdown.

So I'm curious, how does Rubio earn such a better FT rate? He shoots a worse percentage, EFG%, etc. How is this stat calculated? Does it help or is it indifferent for Rubio to have those free FT that come from technicals?
 
If Russell was picked late first round would people be super high on him being awesome? How much premium do you have to pay for draft pedigree?
 
Thank you for the information. I do appreciate it. The comparison for Klay was a great breakdown.

So I'm curious, how does Rubio earn such a better FT rate? He shoots a worse percentage, EFG%, etc. How is this stat calculated? Does it help or is it indifferent for Rubio to have those free FT that come from technicals?
It's essentially what % of your possessions end in free throws. I think the official definition is FTA/FGA... The technicals shouldn't affect it. About how is Rubio getting fouled this much(compared to Russell) - he's probably more aggressive on drives and has the quickness to put opponents in compromised position where they have to foul him.
 
It's essentially what % of your possessions end in free throws. I think the official definition is FTA/FGA... The technicals shouldn't affect it. About how is Rubio getting fouled this much(compared to Russell) - he's probably more aggressive on drives and has the quickness to put opponents in compromised position where they have to foul him.

I find that very, very interesting especially since they shoot roughly the same number of FT per game outside those techs. Very interesting. I wonder if Russell gets some cheap FT at the end of games when they are up. Maybe that takes his FT attempt number up but doesn't affect his rate.

Thanks again for educating me. It still seems like trying to understand an NFL QB rating, but at least I know that the calculations don't take those cheap FT's into account.
 
My guess is that Russell gets between $20 and $25 million. I don't think he'll get that full $27.25 million max deal that either Brooklyn or another team can give. If he continues playing like he has the last month, he might get it, but I doubt it.

It is very important to remember that the salary cap increases by $7 million for 2019 ($109) and another $9 million in 2020 ($118). So teams will have $16 million more to spend by the time we hit 2020 than we do right now. As for the luxury, the limit jumps to $132 for next year and an amazing $143 in 2020.

A lot of guys will start getting $20 million contracts because it will only represent 1/6 of the cap number and 1/7 of the luxury number.
Signing him to that kind of deal is like saying I give up because you aren’t going to be able to improve to being a contender unless you get lucky in the draft, which is a crapshoot
 
There is a difference between a role player and a primary/secondary ballhandler not getting FTs. Klay doesn't handle the ball like... at all... he's got one of the fewest dribble per shot ratios in the history of the league from a perimeter player. He is not relied to break down the defense, he's not relied to drive, create advantage, etc. He's a finisher(of the possessions). Probably the best there has ever been in his role. He's like a... extremely souped up rich man's version of a Korver/Danny Green/JJ Redick types. There just aren't many opportunities for him to get fouled. When you are a PG and you have the ball in your hands in most possessions, not getting fouled means one of two things - you are either not aggressive enough, or you cannot create advantage situations where you put the opponent in compromised positions.

In a vacuum not getting fouled is not a problem if you are efficient enough. The problem is that Klay not getting fouled doesn't effect his efficiency which is extremely high(again he gets easier off-ball shots), while a primary/secondary ballhandler not getting fouls effects his efficiency partly because by the nature of his role he gets harder shots and he needs to supplement his efficiency through drawing fouls in order to prop it up.

Also... pure number of FTs isn't really a great stat(since it doesn't take into account how involved you are in the offense - the more involved you are the easier it is to get fouled). You should be looking at free throw rate(FTr), it's more indicative. Russell's FTr this year is .111... Rubio's is .277, which is about 2.5 times higher. And again you will not get much argument from me about Rubio's efficiency... he's always been inefficient offensive player. Which BTW is the case with Russell too... right now he's at 51% TS%... which is bad.
Fair point about Klay. I would argue however that Rubio and holiday (two others that lopo compared free throw rates with) do in fact handle the ball a lot.

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My guess is that Russell gets between $20 and $25 million. I don't think he'll get that full $27.25 million max deal that either Brooklyn or another team can give. If he continues playing like he has the last month, he might get it, but I doubt it.

It is very important to remember that the salary cap increases by $7 million for 2019 ($109) and another $9 million in 2020 ($118). So teams will have $16 million more to spend by the time we hit 2020 than we do right now. As for the luxury, the limit jumps to $132 for next year and an amazing $143 in 2020.

A lot of guys will start getting $20 million contracts because it will only represent 1/6 of the cap number and 1/7 of the luxury number.
20 would be my limit. Wouldn't do 25 or 27

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