Point Guards

[elfront]

Clear clear course, his statistics also looked good when he played with Nikola Pekovic or Darko milicic.
He has always been a starter with both adelman, sam michell, flip Saunders, thibodou square head and now with Snider. and he has always been TOP in assists and defending. And I do not say it, the statistics say.
Obviously it replaces your physical and lateral speed with anticipation and intelligence "and more after your serious injury" which is what does not enter your head.
that he does not have a physical and power like the African-Americans already we all know and there is his virtue.
But good, to continue with your witch hunt that when the good streak comes after the all star "and it will come", I will read you here splashing the walls with your masturbations: P.
I already leave you in Spain it's time to sleep.
A pleasure to talk with you

 

[Douchebag K]

Individual defensive stats are never perfect, but he is top ten in defensive real plus minus so far this season. I don't think he's terrible on defense at all.

EDIT: top ten *among point guards*

Dude have you watched the games at all this year ?? He's very very average to dreadful Gets beaten by his man like he's wearing lead boots

 

[Jazzta]

Jeje pues un abrazo para mis compatriotas que andan por aquí.
Y a ver si con un poco de suerte no vuelve a salir un bobo como el que leì el otro dìa llamandonos mexicanos a los españoles.
Un abrazo grande

PD: Mi idolo fue villacampa y el gran Corny Thompson

No te olvides de La Bomba, vaya jugón! Lástima que dejara la NBA..

 

[fishonjazz]

Rickey has never been a great defender, but he has been worse with Utah.

To the people saying Ricky is not a good passer, and a PG should have 10 assists surrounded by shooters. That may be true, but it is hard to quantify under Quin's offense, which is not built for a pure PG or a PG to get a ton of assists. Ricky's assist numbers have dropped dramatically after he was traded, even when he was playing great last year. I watched a ton of Minny games, and I can say with confidence that Ricky can't play his best ball under this offense. Dante and Ricky look good when they start creating outside of the set offense. For a long time, Exum got benched for doing that, so he more or less passed and went to the corner. Now he is being allowed to create more and it makes him look a lot better. I don't think he is much different as a player, he is just being allowed to play to his strengths.

For me it's not so much the lack of assists that make his passing underwhelming. It's all the bad passes and turnovers.
I mean neto has hardly played this year and I thought he looked like the better passer against Milwaukee (a good defensive team) than Rubio typically does.

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[fishonjazz]

Locke went through some lineup data... the Rudy Favs thing has struggled recently... I looked at the 5-man lineup data... starters with Jae are +13.8... starters with Favs are +3.5

If we keep Favs we need to stop dicking around... just start with our best lineup... use Thabo/Royce/Niang as backup 4s... or find another placeholder option.

Ricky might work well better if we stop screwing up the spacing with the starting unit.

Ya and the +3 is mainly just cause of great defense (not that that is a bad thing) iirc. I heard Locke the other day talking about our starters being horrific in the last 10 games or so on the offensive end.

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[fishonjazz]

Dude have you watched the games at all this year ?? He's very very average to dreadful Gets beaten by his man like he's wearing lead boots

That Toronto point guard tore him up in the first half.

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[Douchebag K]

That Toronto point guard tore him up in the first half.

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Van Vleet ?? He's not even quick, he's a tubby little dude

 

[fishonjazz]

Van Vleet ?? He's not even quick, he's a tubby little dude

That's the dude

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[Douchebag K]

so when can we get Kevin Love ?? this is garbage

oops wrong thread

 

[colton]

What, they do not throw well? We return to the point where it only matters to be a good shooter ?? They do not look alike. Dante has a privileged physicist that allows him to defend and make tickets to the basket very easily and a shot of very bad decisions or low IQ call it what you want .. everything the opposite of ricky that everything does because his head is two seconds faster than others but has a much less athletic physicist. And there, yanked ricky that he has never liked the gym very much.


Well it has been a pleasure to have been able to share my opinion with you. Until next time

Welcome! Good to have you.

I have to say that the bolded line cracked me up because I am a "much less athletic physicist" myself. (A physicist is a type of scientist that studies physics, like Albert Einstein. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicist.) I think you probably meant "much less athletic physique", but I could be wrong.

 

[Hitman]

Welcome! Good to have you.

I have to say that the bolded line cracked me up because I am a "much less athletic physicist" myself. (A physicist is a type of scientist that studies physics, like Albert Einstein. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicist.) I think you probably meant "much less athletic physique", but I could be wrong.

Google translate is like phone autocorrect, but works across languages.

 

[Strutter]

Dude have you watched the games at all this year ?? He's very very average to dreadful Gets beaten by his man like he's wearing lead boots

I've watched every game this year, thank you: the miracle of DVR. I think he's been fine, especially with team defense. Part of the Jazz system is to funnel guys in toward Gobert. I guess I can see "average," but I certainly can't see "dreadful."

 

[Griffin]

He does, but he's previously rejected the chance at a 10-day contract to stay in Perth. His current deal is 3 years (starting this year) at a reported $600k/year - he's not likely to walk away from that just for a 10-day contract.

I see. Thanks for the insight

 

[Griffin]

lol at the idea that shooting is some small aspect of basketball.

IF BASKETBALL WAS ONE SKILL, IT IS SHOOTING.

That sounds more like netball though

 

[DasJazz]

How is he the solution?

Suit him up and play him, that's how.

 

[RRJazz]

This thread is getting more and more interesting. Greetings to my fellow Spaniards!
I must say Rubio's passing has been underwhelming in Utah and his teammates can't be the main reason because he was must-see-TV passing it to the likes of Darko Milicic, Anthony Randolph, Greg Stiemsma, Lou Amundson, Ronnie Turiaf, etc. He made a ton of passes where that limited center just had to grab the ball and dunk it. Derrick Favors is better than all of those combined.

Gobert doesn't have good hands and that leads to some turnovers, but at the same time Rubio badly misplaces some alley-oops for instance which NEVER happened before.

Race drivers will tell you they are closer to have an accident when they stop pushing, compared to the moments where they are going 100% and locked-on. Rubio is like a race driver telling himself not to go too fast. I read this from a Wolves' fan and I feel the same:

"I miss the shaggy hair and razzle dazzle. Too fundamental now, I want the flashy passes again."​

Same thing with the steals. He was always top5 in steals which also led (at times) to missed attempts and open shots for the opponent. Coaches have worked on calming him down, on controlling him. I guess it makes for a healthier coach, but also a less excited fan. I can't really determine his ability as a defender because he can make Russell Westbrook or Steph Curry struggle, and the next game Ish Smith has a career game on him. Overall I would say he's above-average, since most PGs rest on defense to be 100% on offense.

I believe Rubio is going to enjoy his typical 2nd half of the season improvement (he was solid in December) and re-sign in Utah. He clearly needs a stretch 4 with Gobert, that's why the starters with Crowder are +13.5.

An improved Rubio, a much improved Exum, and the Donovan we are watching lately? Fasten your seatbelts.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Well, from the standpoint of opponents shooting percentage (which of course does not encompass all defense, but still a very important metric) Rubio is less than average:
https://stats.nba.com/player/201937/defense-dash/

Overall, opponents shoot 3.8% better than their average when Rubio is guarding them.

Compare Exum, a good defender, and all opponents shoot under their average when Exum is guarding them:
https://stats.nba.com/player/203957/defense-dash/

This one is even more telling:
https://stats.nba.com/player/203526/defense-dash/

As much as I like Neto, he struggles on defense, especially against athletic guards.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I'm just going to offer this thought on Mitchell:

While I think having him play alongside a proper PG does put him in attacking scenarios more easily, I think it also makes him approach the game more as a heads-down scorer instead of a heads-up playmaker. I think he knew he had to be more of the latter last night and it opened up his game and the team's ability as well.

I think he can play either guard spot, I am not scared of him being more of the 1 than the 2.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm just going to offer this thought on Mitchell:

While I think having him play alongside a proper PG does put him in attacking scenarios more easily, I think it also makes him approach the game more as a heads-down scorer instead of a heads-up playmaker. I think he knew he had to be more of the latter last night and it opened up his game and the team's ability as well.

I think he can play either guard spot, I am not scared of him being more of the 1 than the 2.

All of this... its 100% an option and I'm not sure why people are hung up on some 80s 90s era idea of what a pg does or needs to be. The offense is shared responsibility and if we want DM to become the best he can he needs to make the best plays for the team... not just be a scorer or then move to being a pass only guy. He needs to create... for himself and others. Giving him playmaking responsibilities requires more reading of the defense and may make him hesitant as a scorer at times... I'll take that over the "we need you to score" mindset that can lead to poor shot selection.

If we had another wing we could start with some creation ability that was a shooter I think that would be a better fit than Rubio or Exum. Like if you brought in OP jr. and slid Ingles to the 2 I think we'd be just fine.

 

[nateboz]

Update. Neto is out now. The Jazz now have a serious problem.

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