Lakers at Jazz Game Thread

[jazzETX]

Allen played a ton early, Quin gave him the opportunity to play, and Allen showed he wasn’t ready. Quin even said “if you play defense, you’ll play, if not you won’t play” and Allen’s defense was painfully bad, and was hurting the team. Royce is an example as he played as a rookie because his defense was very good. If Allen was playing for the hawks, he’d probably be playing.

the bolded is just patently false and pure fiction, WTF are you talking about? go look at his game log. the most minutes he played were even based on circumstance - he played 27 min against memphis on 11/2 b/c donovan was out, then played 21 min against dallas on 11/14 b/c the whole team played like *** and got blown out. other than that, his minutes have been very irregular/sparse and 90% in garbage time. on a team with less guards/wings or a team not fighting for the playoffs, he'd be getting 15-20+ minutes a game easy regardless of his defense. He'll be better long term for it to compete and learn defense, but to say he got a ton of time early is just lies.

 

[framer]

Could be that their (portland) bigs just are not all that good and you wouldnt want them getting shots no matter who the guards are.

When rubio is healthy are favors and gobert getting tons of shots? Do we want them getting tons of shots? I bet if we check the stats we will find that rubio shoots more than our bigs, and that when rubio is out there with mitchell we get shots for our guards and our bigs just wither away from a standpoint of getting them lots of shots from our offense.


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I want the Jazz to play pick and roll. Having a good pick and roll game is how you avoid losing to bad teams and advancing in the playoffs.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

the bolded is just patently false and pure fiction, WTF are you talking about? go look at his game log. the most minutes he played were even based on circumstance - he played 27 min against memphis on 11/2 b/c donovan was out, then played 21 min against dallas on 11/14 b/c the whole team played like *** and got blown out. other than that, his minutes have been very irregular/sparse and 90% in garbage time. on a team with less guards/wings or a team not fighting for the playoffs, he'd be getting 15-20+ minutes a game easy regardless of his defense. He'll be better long term for it to compete and learn defense, but to say he got a ton of time early is just lies.

When I said he played a lot early, I wasn’t referring to his minutes, more than he got a chance to play early. After the first two games he played in the next 8 games, and proved to be a huge liability on defense. Coach Quin even said it himself, if you can’t play defense, you won’t play. It’s not like He has a track record of not playing. Exum played 82 games and started every game after allstar break. O’Neale was in the rotation after the first 20 or so games. Hood played a lot, and Mitchell last year. It didn’t take long before Mitchell replaced Hood. I’d say Quin has a track record for giving rookies at least a shot to prove they can play. Compare him to Corbin.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I want the Jazz to play pick and roll. Having a good pick and roll game is how you avoid losing to bad teams and advancing in the playoffs.

Their pick’n roll game seemed fine to me last night.

 

[DasJazz]

Stat of the day: Since November 28th the Jazz defense is #1 in the NBA and is 1.7 pts per 100 possessions better than the 2nd best defense.

 

[LoPo]

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[LoPo]

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[fishonjazz]

I want the Jazz to play pick and roll. Having a good pick and roll game is how you avoid losing to bad teams and advancing in the playoffs.

Sounds good. Mitchell playing pick n roll as our point guard with our bigs while the other players on the floor are all threats from three that he can use his good vision and good passing to kick out to sounds good to me.

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[fishonjazz]

I want the Jazz to play pick and roll. Having a good pick and roll game is how you avoid losing to bad teams and advancing in the playoffs.

Also to play devil's to your second sentence, Golden State doesn't play a lot of pick n roll, the Cavs didn't play a ton of pick n roll, Duncan's Spurs weren't pick n roll focused, pistons with billups not so much, Jordans bulls not really, shaq and kobe nope. LeBron's heat teams. These are teams that had some success in the playoffs imo and didn't do that much pick n roll.

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[fishonjazz]

Royce O'Neal led the jazz in minutes last night with 39.

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[infection]

I really liked seeing McGee, with two career threes, throwing one up from the top of the key with time left on the clock.

 

[JazzMan4Life]

A good analysis I saw on Reddit from u/gyxorz

"The Jazz are always a fun team to play, no so much in the conventional sense of seeing freeflow high-octane basketball, but because they play a brand of basketball that is unconventional in the modern NBA. Fundamentally sound, and the phrase that always comes to my mind - methodical.

You get to know a lot about your team when you play the Jazz, and tonight hasn't been pretty at all.

• The Lakers live off transition fast breaks, and the Jazz absolutely allow none of that. They get back and set up very quickly on D. Once Gobert is in position, it's almost impossible to get a good shot off at the basket unless you have an elite scorer at the rim -- outside of the LeBron, the Lakers have none. And with Rondo out and Lonzo mired in foul trouble early, that's your only 3 real playmakers out of the picture. There is a reason why Beasley could score tonight at a time nobody else could.
  
  
• Gobert is incredible as a screener. Donovan got hot early thanks to the countless number of times he was able to use the screen and get tremendous separation, with only Javale / Chandler caught in no mans land in front of him. Lonzo is a great defender, but he's 6-6 with a stout frame, not ideal for navigating screens. He's great at defending larger players at the 1-3, but small quick guys like Mitchell tend to cause him problems.
  
  
• Half court offense. If there is one thing that even the most deluded of LaKeR FaNs admits, its that our half-court offense is non-existent at times. The sort that regularly blows leads in crunch time. The sort that causes you to shake your head in disgust even with LeRonZo not out there. And in the first half tonight, it was as bad as it's ever been: Pointless weaving leading to nowhere, lack of weakside action etc etc. The Jazz have freaking Rudy Gobert (and other long guys like Favors and Ingles) patrolling the paint and yet we tried time and again to take difficult, contested shots at the rim. That Javale 3 in the 2nd quarter just about sums up how clueless and desperate we were out there.
  
  
• Fouling jump shooters - Hart, KCP, Stephenson, Beasley all guilty in this game. You just can't do that, and there's nothing else to be said about this.
  
  
• Freethrow shooting - Nothing to say here. I'm more surprised when we go 2/2 than when we don't
  
  
• Outside of criticizing how we played tonight, The Jazz are my 2nd team so I've got to give them a ton of credit as well. Nothing I haven't said before, but they are such a well oiled team - guys like Ingles, Crowder and Favors all know their roles very well, and execute it to a high level. Everything about their organization seems very shrewdly run and it translates on the court. Defensively they can be absolute lock down, with little to no weaknesses at any position. If they can find a way to acquire another guard/wing who can create for himself, I genuinely believe they can compete with the very best teams in the playoffs."
  

 

[jom2003]

huerter and shamet have gotten so much opportunity to play and learn; quin hasn't been near as flexible with grayson as lloyd pierce and brett brown have been with those 2 guys. even divincenzo has had alot of chances too even though he's played like crap most of the season. impossible to make judgments on allen w/ the garbage minutes he's gotten.

Then I hope he'll get his opportunity while Rubio and Dante are out

 

[candrew]

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And he actually got back on D instead of mugging for the cameras for 6 seconds a la Russell Westbrook.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Kuzma sure is an erratic shooter, a lot like DM. Killed the Pistons single handedly for 41 the other night but couldn't do anything against the Jazz. He seems to have been given the ultimate green light by Walton. Launching 6 threes a game at 30%, not too conducive to winning basketball.

 

[fishonjazz]

I really liked seeing McGee, with two career threes, throwing one up from the top of the key with time left on the clock.

Yes, that was quite enjoyable

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[RRJazz]

 

[carolinajazz]

I want the Jazz to play pick and roll. Having a good pick and roll game is how you avoid losing to bad teams and advancing in the playoffs.

Very true! Ever heard of Stockton and Malone? Only way to stop that pick and roll was to bring a baseball bat to the game and kill one of them!

 

[carolinajazz]

Smashing the Lakers is always satisfying. Hope all the jagwad Laker fans at the arena appreciated it as much as I did.

Watching the Lakers play last night was hard on the eyes! Turrible shot selection, turrible shooting, just turrible basketball all the way around!

 

[carolinajazz]

crowder getting fouled from 3 point line every game is hilarious.

Brain dead Lakers for sure! Foul the worst 3 point shooter on the team and give him 3 foul shots? They did it multiple times!