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Couple problems with your post here.

1. Wade can’t shoot and not as good handling the ball

2. Mitchell’s future is at pg, as he’s at least two inches shorter than Wade, and Wade is more athletic IMO.

Mitchell is young and still developing his game. He will get more comfortable in pick’n roll with Gobert.

I know it’s a small sample size, but I don’t think Mitchell has had a bad game yet when he’s had to start at pg for a game.

The first half is a perfect example as to why he needs to be the starting pg’s. I can easily see him scoring 25 a night while consistently throwing up 8-10 assists nightly.
Wade can't shoot as much as Mitchell couldn't shoot for most of this season prior to 2019. They're both streaky, difference being that Wade can get himself to the line too, and there was far less of an emphasis on the 3pt shot back in Wade's prime so now when he's shooting more he's around the same % as Mitchell for the season. I'm not sure you could unequivocally say that Mitchell's handle is better than Wade's as while Wade in his solo perimeter star days had way more TOs per 100 than Mitchell (5 - 6 per 100 for Wade vs about 4 for Mitchell), the numbers end up being similar when Wade played as a secondary ball handler with LeBron, which seems like a fairer comparison as Rubio is the primary ball handler for the Jazz until crunch time in the 4th.

I also don't buy that Mitchell has to play PG just because he's smaller. He's got basically the same wingspan as Wade even though he's shorter, and while Wade is much better taking off on one foot Mitchell is better than Wade as a two foot athlete. Both are fluid with their movements, Wade is more likely to take contact and finish through it while Mitchell is more likely to try and acrobatically get a shot off around defenders. In the modern NBA you can hide smaller players on defense by putting them on shooters on the wings and letting a bigger defender take the primary ball handler. Saying Mitchell should play PG because he's smaller is kinda like the inverse of Ben Simmons, as Simmons is clearly a classical type PG who literally can't shoot yet he has the size of a PF or C. You don't see the Sixers force Simmons to play PF just because he's bigger, you play him as your PG because that's where you maximise his strengths and then cross match defensively if you need him to guard bigger guys. You maximise Donovan Mitchell's strengths by allowing him to be a scoring guard who can secondary playmake, and you're more likely to get that out of him in Snyder's system at SG rather than at PG long term.

Also it was two games ago where he had a 1 assist/7 turnover game against Milwaukee. He's had an ast:to ratio of 1.42 over his last 3 games since he's been asked to play the PG which isn't great (Rubio's is 2.02 and Exum's is 2.33 for comparison). He's had stretches earlier in the season where he has had similar high USG rates while putting up much lesser performances with his poor shooting. 2019 Mitchell is an All Star level guy but it's been like 5 or 6 games, and not all of those games have been at PG.

I hope it doesn't happen but if Mitchell has a game at PG where he struggles I would be very interested to see how Jazzfanz reacts to his play, as if I'm being honest I didn't really like what I saw from Mitchell as a PG in the 3rd quarter. He played it a lot like he had done previously in his limited stints at PG before this recent stretch, and the only difference and reason why no one cared tonight (except for Cy I think who picked up on this too) was he was hitting the shots that he was missing in November/December and was keeping the Jazz' lead where it needed to be. He wasn't really doing anything to make his teammates better he was simply carrying them with his scoring, which is why I think his best position is still at SG who can play some PG at times and not full time at PG going forward.

He could figure all this out and make me look dumb as hell in a year or two tho.
 
It’s perfect

The full time PG position would put more in his head than is needed. I’m glad he played like he did tonight but is Mitchell playing as a full time PG sustainable in the course of a season?

If he proves me wrong and it translates in many wins I’ll gladly eat crow but it’s a legit concern that I have.
 
Outstanding defensive performance! Wow. Don terrific and ironman O'Neale good job playing heavy heavy minutes..
Didn't let any Laker get going.
 
Rumor is next year NBA is going to penalize teams who purposely foul in transition.

2 shots regardless of team fouls.
Teams are going to score 150ppg. Defenders moving out of the way on fastbreaks. Players with the ball running against defenders and flopping 2x. Harden will score 50ppg. Yikes.


Crowder, Korver, and Niang combined to shoot 5/26 and we still won. Our defense right now is elite. I don't see the Bulls scoring 80, although the 4th quarter will probably be garbage time.

RIP McGee
 
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If you want Mitchell to be the next DWade you're not going to play him full time at PG

What if you want him to be the next dame, lowry, westbrook, harden, kyrie, prime all star level d will, mvp level derrick rose, pistons isiah thomas, etc?

What i really want is just for him to be as good as possible and also for the jazz to be as good as possible. Dont really care what position he plays but he seems better suited to having the ball in his hands and i think can guard shorter players better.
 
Because it is much easier to find a stud pg than a stud 2 guard with range, especially one that will work with Mitchell. Good Rubio works well with Mitchell because he doesn't demand a lot of shots. Look at the Blazers. They get shots for their guards, but their bigs just wither away.

Could be that their (portland) bigs just are not all that good and you wouldnt want them getting shots no matter who the guards are.

When rubio is healthy are favors and gobert getting tons of shots? Do we want them getting tons of shots? I bet if we check the stats we will find that rubio shoots more than our bigs, and that when rubio is out there with mitchell we get shots for our guards and our bigs just wither away from a standpoint of getting them lots of shots from our offense.


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Allen played a ton early, Quin gave him the opportunity to play, and Allen showed he wasn’t ready. Quin even said “if you play defense, you’ll play, if not you won’t play” and Allen’s defense was painfully bad, and was hurting the team. Royce is an example as he played as a rookie because his defense was very good. If Allen was playing for the hawks, he’d probably be playing.

the bolded is just patently false and pure fiction, WTF are you talking about? go look at his game log. the most minutes he played were even based on circumstance - he played 27 min against memphis on 11/2 b/c donovan was out, then played 21 min against dallas on 11/14 b/c the whole team played like *** and got blown out. other than that, his minutes have been very irregular/sparse and 90% in garbage time. on a team with less guards/wings or a team not fighting for the playoffs, he'd be getting 15-20+ minutes a game easy regardless of his defense. He'll be better long term for it to compete and learn defense, but to say he got a ton of time early is just lies.
 
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Could be that their (portland) bigs just are not all that good and you wouldnt want them getting shots no matter who the guards are.

When rubio is healthy are favors and gobert getting tons of shots? Do we want them getting tons of shots? I bet if we check the stats we will find that rubio shoots more than our bigs, and that when rubio is out there with mitchell we get shots for our guards and our bigs just wither away from a standpoint of getting them lots of shots from our offense.


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I want the Jazz to play pick and roll. Having a good pick and roll game is how you avoid losing to bad teams and advancing in the playoffs.
 
the bolded is just patently false and pure fiction, WTF are you talking about? go look at his game log. the most minutes he played were even based on circumstance - he played 27 min against memphis on 11/2 b/c donovan was out, then played 21 min against dallas on 11/14 b/c the whole team played like *** and got blown out. other than that, his minutes have been very irregular/sparse and 90% in garbage time. on a team with less guards/wings or a team not fighting for the playoffs, he'd be getting 15-20+ minutes a game easy regardless of his defense. He'll be better long term for it to compete and learn defense, but to say he got a ton of time early is just lies.

When I said he played a lot early, I wasn’t referring to his minutes, more than he got a chance to play early. After the first two games he played in the next 8 games, and proved to be a huge liability on defense. Coach Quin even said it himself, if you can’t play defense, you won’t play. It’s not like He has a track record of not playing. Exum played 82 games and started every game after allstar break. O’Neale was in the rotation after the first 20 or so games. Hood played a lot, and Mitchell last year. It didn’t take long before Mitchell replaced Hood. I’d say Quin has a track record for giving rookies at least a shot to prove they can play. Compare him to Corbin.
 
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