2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm of the opposite mindset that I think the Dubs perceived struggles are overstated and there won't be a team as good as them in the future. I get being aggressive, but sacrificing the future would be a tough sell for me.

I mean, I'm sure they are overstated, but I still think they are the most vulnerable they have ever been (which isnt that vulnerable, but it's the best shot you might ever get). If Golden State is putting DMC out against the Jazz, that's a huge win for Utah.

I would be fairly optimistic Utah could upset Golden State in a playoff series, or at least give a really good series.

 

[Ron Mexico]

If I knew for sure Harris would come, I'd probably choose to do nothing and sign Harris in free agency. I do think he is very good and can get better, and I think he can be a lot better defensively in Utah. I don't agree at all that he is as bad/unwilling a defender as Parker. I think he's probably like bottom 35-40 percentile and can probably be average in a good system.

You could say that about any crappy defensive player in our system. Parker played good hustle defense in the playoffs and was putting in decent effort as of late in Chicago. I would have more faith in Parker being an average defender in our system than Harris.

Harris is young and might continue to improve though. Its a risk to sign him to a max contact. It could pay off, it just wouldnt be my first choice. I might just hold on to Favors over that and have him and Crowder split the 4 minutes.

 

[MDAV28]

I don't want the Jazz to sell off a ton of 1st rounders, but they can give up one.

I mean, look at our roster now. We got Tony Bradley and Grayson Allen as first round picks and I'm sure most people here wouldn't really care too much if we traded them. That 2019 first rounder we are clutching onto might end up becoming another Tony Bradley.

It also might be a Rudy. Or Hood. Or involved in a package to move up to get a Mitchell. First round picks are by no means guarantees, but they hold much more value than taking on an overpaid contract, especially since that would lock our core roster in for the most part financially.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It also might be a Rudy. Or Hood. Or involved in a package to move up to get a Mitchell. First round picks are by no means guarantees, but they hold much more value than taking on an overpaid contract, especially since that would lock our core roster in for the most part financially.

Yeah, it's a risk, but I think the odds say it's going to be a Tony Bradley way more often than it is a Rudy Gobert.

 

[SCS]

I just feel like the whole "Clippers are signing two max super-star free agents" thing has to happen for Harris to choose to leave LA and i don't think that's going to happen at all. I think there is a better chance no super-stars join LA and it seems super risky to bet that someone is going to choose Utah over LA.

I agree. There's no guarantee that the Jazz can't sign him, but if they really want him the move is to trade for him before the deadline.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Well, technically no, I guess.

50.1% / 43.7% / 88.4%

Dat 1.6% doe. Maybe borrow it from his 3P%.

It is close. Its also the first time in his career over 50%. Last year he was 46%. If you think he has made a jump this year and a much better player that is fine. He has been up and down with his shooting. It could be an up year.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Well, technically no, I guess.

50.1% / 43.7% / 88.4%

Dat 1.6% doe. Maybe borrow it from his 3P%.

Thanks.

I’m really tired of making a case that shouldn’t have to be made here.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree. There's no guarantee that the Jazz can't sign him, but if they really want him the move is to trade for him before the deadline.

But why are the Clippers trading him?

Like I said, I really doubt their ability to attract super-stars. I'm sure they also doubt it themselves since it's literally never happened. Harris is good insurance. I'm sure they also want to make the playoffs as well, and having him there is kind of necessary for that to happen.

 

[LoPo]

Last offseason was frustrating, but the Jazz didn’t have max space and the free agent pool wasn’t nearly as deep as this year.

It’s been about this offseason for me since the beginning of last year and I think that’s the same with the organization.

If we would have renounced Favors and Thabo, we would have had enough money to get almost anybody that was in free agency last year. We could have given Aaron Gordon more than the ended up getting with Orlando.

The pool is a lot smaller this year because half of the teams in the league have massive amounts of money this year. And those who don't have money all have the $9 million MLE. Last year, there were only like 5 teams who could spend more than $12 million. It was crazy.

Enough about the past. Let's talk this summer - we would have to have the best free agency year in the history of our franchise to get a player as good as Tobias at his age. The odds are very, very low. Make a trade.

 

[MDAV28]

Yeah, it's a risk, but I think the odds say it's going to be a Tony Bradley way more often than it is a Rudy Gobert.

For sure in the 20s, but the good news is that it comes at such a low cost. I guess I'd rather take a swing on possibly getting 70% of an Otto Porter on a 2m/year deal than giving up that opportunity as well as removing the Jazz from any meaningful FA discussions, as implausible as they seem.

Otto Porter is a fine player and could be even more than fine here in Utah. I can't wrap my head around parting with assets for him. I guess we shall see.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It is close. Its also the first time in his career over 50%. Last year he was 46%. If you think he has made a jump this year and a much better player that is fine. He has been up and down with his shooting. It could be an up year.

It’s okay to admit that you didn’t know Harris is as good as he is.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just feel like the whole "Clippers are signing two max super-star free agents" thing has to happen for Harris to choose to leave LA and i don't think that's going to happen at all. I think there is a better chance no super-stars join LA and it seems super risky to bet that someone is going to choose Utah over LA.

Why does he go back if they don't make a FA addition? They can offer more money obviously, but would they?

Market is one factor... guys turn down LA and Miami though... it happens.

LA is a cool place to vacation... but there are also some drawbacks. I don't think LA trumps all.