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fishonjazz said:
Sometimes better offense=better defense. (Less misses equal less transition for the opponent as an example)

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Also, there is no defense that can slow down the Warriors when they are anywhere close to on. At that point, you try to keep up and get stops where you can.

The Jazz cannot keep up with any kind of consistency right now. They need firepower and consistency and don’t have it on offense.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Its a pretty small chance that pans out. Its more likely that the draft pick isnt an NBA level player. Its also almost a guarantee that he wont be for a couple years.
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Not necessarily true. But even so the cost is so minuscule financially, they're worth keeping or moving for more value.

Last few picks in the 20s for the Jazz: Grayson Allen, Tony Bradley, pick used w/ Lyles to move to 13 and select some guy, Rodney Hood, Rudy Gobert, pick used w/ another pick to move up to #9.

I'll die on this hill. I can't give up a 1st round pick, no matter when, for a huge contract that doesn't provide adequate value (aka overpaid)
 
It looks like the Knicks are putting Tim Hardaway Jr on the trade block. He makes about 17K. Seems like about the same player as Otto, but cheaper.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I very much disagree on that. Why does no team want him either? Clippers dont seem that interested in keeping him anymore as well.

How about the fact that both Clips and Pistons were better when he was off the court last year? His team gives up a lot of points with him on the court.
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Nobody thinks Harris is an MVP. The Clippers are going after MVP-caliber guys and will put Harris on the back burner.

The Clippers also don’t have Rudy and Donovan.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Better. I can’t comment on his defense, but I have never in my life heard anyone describe it with the vitriol you do. I can’t conceive that it’s bad enough to upend the entire Jazz defensive system. The Jazz are going to be a great defensive team.

This team is still Mitchell and a bunch of other guys on offense. That’s never been a championship recipe in the modern era besides the ‘94 Rockets. Mitchell ain’t Hakeem and it’s not ‘94.

I’m happy to watch good, fun basketball, but I want a championship.
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I am not saying he will upend our defense. But he has had a negative impact on court most of his career. Jazz arent just guaranteed to be good defensively no matter who we have because of Gobert. I want players that are willing defenders and fit in. Maybe that is Harris but so far his career has suggested otherwise.

I would also like a championship. The chances of that happening are extremely slim. I want a team that competes for home court advantage for years and maybe gets lucky one year. I dont see Harris as being a player that puts us over the top. I dont think he is any better than Favors, just maybe a slightly better fit.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Lol, he has been good this year on offense, like I said. Wish he were a decent or even average defender who rebounded, then I would like him.

Do you think he will be better or worse offensively in our system vs LAC?
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I remember someone once saying that the jazz offense generates the most open threes or something.
If he shoots 44% from three now and you give him more open threes.......

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NUMBERICA said:
Nobody thinks Harris is an MVP. The Clippers are going after MVP-caliber guys and will put Harris on the back burner.

The Clippers also don’t have Rudy and Donovan.
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What about the other teams that let him go/traded him? What about the fact that his teams have been when he is off the court?
 
fishonjazz said:
I remember someone once saying that the jazz offense generates the most open threes or something.
If he shoots 44% from three now and you give him more open threes.......

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AND NOBODY IS SENDING HELP FROM THE FOUR TO STOP THE LOB OR TO SWARM MITCHELL.

This team addresses that issue with certainty and finality while adding an offensive hub they don’t currently have and they are a perennial dark horse contender.

Those two things (in addition to being young enough to play at a high level for the next five years) are my criteria. The value of a productive, playmaking 4 that is a dead-eye shooter is hard to overstate for THIS team.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Tim Hardaway Jr. on the trade block, he's one where we wouldn't have to give up any good assets and he can potentially be that 'other scorer'

Contract kinda hurts. But if someone is looking for the median option, here you go.
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I liked him early when he was hot... then I watch him play basketball... I no longer like him.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I very much disagree on that. Why does no team want him either? Clippers dont seem that interested in keeping him anymore as well.

How about the fact that both Clips and Pistons were better when he was off the court last year? His team gives up a lot of points with him on the court.
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On/Off is a lot about who you play with... Clips bring their best pg and center off the bench. Neither center is all that great on defense... and the center is the key to the defense.

Clips want him... they also want KD and Kawhi more... so do I. Plenty of teams want him... believe it.
 
fishonjazz said:
I remember someone once saying that the jazz offense generates the most open threes or something.
If he shoots 44% from three now and you give him more open threes.......

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He already shoots most of his 3s on open shots. 4.1 of his 4.7 3s per game are on open shots. Oddly he shoots worse on wide open shots than his average though at 42.7. He does drive the ball a lot, which fits in with our system this year. But he also runs a lot of ISO plays that does not fit in. He also is a really poor defender which does not fit in. He allows 70% at the rim. Which is one of the worst PFs in the league.
 
MDAV28 said:
Not necessarily true. But even so the cost is so minuscule financially, they're worth keeping or moving for more value.

Last few picks in the 20s for the Jazz: Grayson Allen, Tony Bradley, pick used w/ Lyles to move to 13 and select some guy, Rodney Hood, Rudy Gobert, pick used w/ another pick to move up to #9.

I'll die on this hill. I can't give up a 1st round pick, no matter when, for a huge contract that doesn't provide adequate value (aka overpaid)
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How many late picks turn into starters? Very few. How many dont make it in the NBA? A lot of them. Yes you can provide examples were it works out but chances are it doesnt. Also rookies dont contribute to winning basketball except in very rare circumstances. Usually 2nd year players dont as well. Teams usually sacrifice winning basketball to get them on the court.
 
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