CP3 on John Stockton

[Alfalfa]

No, i like the narrative better that stats, awards, and accomplishments don't matter if you played a long time without injury and had a good teammate.

LeBron has been too healthy and played with Wade and Irving so he doesn't qualify.

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Now you're just being flippant.

 

[fishonjazz]

Now you're just being flippant.

True. Kinda following your lead tbh

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[fishonjazz]

Now you're just being flippant.

On the other hand, you didn't even include magic freaking Johnson on your all time great point guards.
Flippant indeed

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[Alfalfa]

True. Kinda following your lead tbh

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I feel like I defended my position fairly and honestly. If you disagree, that's fine. But I'm not gonna continue to respond to increasingly ridiculous rhetorical scenarios.

 

[Alfalfa]

On the other hand, you didn't even include magic freaking Johnson on your all time great point guards.
Flippant indeed

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It was in response to Eminence, who was asking who else I'd include other than Magic and Steph.

 

[Jaymz]

Cp3 is a crybaby bitch. Stockton was anything but.
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[fishonjazz]

It was in response to Eminence, who was asking who else I'd include other than Magic and Steph.

Well I will just put on my dunce cap and sit in the corner.

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[One Brow]

PFs are way better than centers at getting you assists. Kareem doing his post moves then taking a hook shot did nothing for Magic's stats. Stockton and Malone PnR is an easy shot or an assist for Stock every other possession.

If you are correct, we should see a rise in assist numbers for PGs who play with great PFs (like Malone) and drop when they play for others.

Howard Eisley (the first person I checked) had better assist numbers playing for the NYKs after he heft the Jazz than playing for the Jazz. Was that due to playing with powerhouses like Clarence Weatherspoon and Othella Harrington?

 

[The mailman]

Curtis Borchardt with longevity would have been Dirk Nowitzki.

You sir win the internet today.

 

[Alfalfa]

If you are correct, we should see a rise in assist numbers for PGs who play with great PFs (like Malone) and drop when they play for others.

Howard Eisley (the first person I checked) had better assist numbers playing for the NYKs after he heft the Jazz than playing for the Jazz. Was that due to playing with powerhouses like Clarence Weatherspoon and Othella Harrington?

A backup who only played a few minutes a game with Malone. He played more minutes in that one season in NY where he averaged more assists a game. Also, that's a weird example. Take Nash/Stoudemire. Do you think if Nash didn't have such a perfect PnR partner he'd average as many assists? Of course not. I'm not making a divine proclamation. There is no physical law that says if you have a good PF, your assists will skyrocket. But if you're a good passing PG, then a good scoring PF (as it was defined until very recently) is perfect to accumulate assists. You can lob to a center, but most of the time, you feed it inside and the center will battle in the post to score. Having an elite perimeter scorer is not as good because of the lower % on the shots. Having a PF who can roll and pop is amazing.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

A backup who only played a few minutes a game with Malone. He played more minutes in that one season in NY where he averaged more assists a game. Also, that's a weird example. Take Nash/Stoudemire. Do you think if Nash didn't have such a perfect PnR partner he'd average as many assists? Of course not. I'm not making a divine proclamation. There is no physical law that says if you have a good PF, your assists will skyrocket. But if you're a good passing PG, then a good scoring PF (as it was defined until very recently) is perfect to accumulate assists. You can lob to a center, but most of the time, you feed it inside and the center will battle in the post to score. Having an elite perimeter scorer is not as good because of the lower % on the shots. Having a PF who can roll and pop is amazing.

Tony Parker played for 17 season, most with Tim Duncan who is arguably the best PF ever. His total assists to this point are just over 7K.

Are you bored Alfalfa?

 

[Alfalfa]

Tony Parker played for 17 season, most with Tim Duncan who is arguably the best PF ever. His total assists to this point are just over 7K.

Are you bored Alfalfa?

Duncan plays like a center. He scores with post moves. Malone mostly rolls to the basket or pops for a mid range shot.