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Do the Jazz develop prospects?

Twin Towers

Twin Towers

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"It's like starting pitching. You can't get enough of that," Jazz GM Kevin O'Connor said. "Big guys are tough to come by. We certainly moved Paul over to play some 3 (small forward) at times, and we play (against) big lineups like the Lakers and some of the other big lineups, and (Kanter) may see a little more time with those. Maybe it's good for competition."

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The Jazz need to wake up! I am so tired of this organization drafting young prospects and never playing them early and often to develop them.
They will never learn. All of the young prospects like Kobe, Garnett, Dwight Howard etc etc played a ton in there first years. The teams knew they needed experience. They were not good players in the beginning. They all made a ton of mistakes. But that is how they learn. We say these kids are coming out of school too early they need more experience. So we draft them and don't give them experience? This old Sloan way of thinking needs to change.

But instead we are drafting these players and thinking they will learn what they need to know in practice. Favors and Kanter will suffer developing because Millsap and Jefferson and Okur will take playing time away. You can sit a player down and make him watch as much film and study as much as you want. But until he actually gets to apply it consistently for long stretches he will never learn.
If you wanna learn how to swim when your a kid and you study everything you need to know you eventually have to jump in the water. But every time you jump in the water and make a mistake you have your "coach" pulling you out right away. That is what this organization has done for the past decade with young prospects.
And hopefully you understand the difference between a prospect and a nba ready rookie. Big difference

If the Jazz want Kanter and Favors to develop into all-stars or borderline all-stars than they need to play them big minutes now so they develop. Other wise we might as well trade them because in 2-3 years when the veterans are gone and we expect them to be ready......... your joking yourself if we only played them 15 minutes a night because we felt they should of earned there minutes ahead of Millsap and Jefferson and Okur.
 
Twin Towers said:
"It's like starting pitching. You can't get enough of that," Jazz GM Kevin O'Connor said. "Big guys are tough to come by. We certainly moved Paul over to play some 3 (small forward) at times, and we play (against) big lineups like the Lakers and some of the other big lineups, and (Kanter) may see a little more time with those. Maybe it's good for competition."

Read more: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214335/Jazz_GM_You_Can_Never_Have_Too_Many_Bigs#ixzz1QCfIXQ4v

The Jazz need to wake up! I am so tired of this organization drafting young prospects and never playing them early and often to develop them.
They will never learn. All of the young prospects like Kobe, Garnett, Dwight Howard etc etc played a ton in there first years. The teams knew they needed experience. They were not good players in the beginning. They all made a ton of mistakes. But that is how they learn. We say these kids are coming out of school too early they need more experience. So we draft them and don't give them experience? This old Sloan way of thinking needs to change.

But instead we are drafting these players and thinking they will learn what they need to know in practice. Favors and Kanter will suffer developing because Millsap and Jefferson and Okur will take playing time away. You can sit a player down and make him watch as much film and study as much as you want. But until he actually gets to apply it consistently for long stretches he will never learn.
If you wanna learn how to swim when your a kid and you study everything you need to know you eventually have to jump in the water. But every time you jump in the water and make a mistake you have your "coach" pulling you out right away. That is what this organization has done for the past decade with young prospects.
And hopefully you understand the difference between a prospect and a nba ready rookie. Big difference

If the Jazz want Kanter and Favors to develop into all-stars or borderline all-stars than they need to play them big minutes now so they develop. Other wise we might as well trade them because in 2-3 years when the veterans are gone and we expect them to be ready......... your joking yourself if we only played them 15 minutes a night because we felt they should of earned there minutes ahead of Millsap and Jefferson and Okur.
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Kobe played 15.5 minutes per game as a rookie and still just 26.0 minutes his second year. I think that worked out pretty well.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Kobe played 15.5 minutes per game as a rookie and still just 26.0 minutes his second year. I think that worked out pretty well.
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Dwight Howard played: 32 minutes his rookie year
Kevin Garnett: 28 min per game
Kevin Durant: 34 minutes per game
Westbrook: 32 minutes per game

The list goes on and on. If they play over 25 minutes a night than I will be happy.
 
Twin Towers said:
Dwight Howard played: 32 minutes his rookie year
Kevin Garnett: 28 min per game
Kevin Durant: 34 minutes per game
Westbrook: 32 minutes per game

The list goes on and on. If they play over 25 minutes a night than I will be happy.
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These guys played on absolutely ****ty teams with absolutely no talent or depth. Kobe played under 30 minutes each of his first two years for the exact opposite reason. The Lakers had guys who could ball and he still had to develop. The Jazz, imo, are in a situation much more similar to the Lakers than they are the TWolves, Magic, or Thunder. That is, unless you think Burks should start above Hayward and Kanter should start ahead of Favors, Jefferson and Millsap.
 
Players earn playing time and it wont be any different for the Jazz you dont bench or trade away Jefferson or Milsap because you have prospects that need playing time.

So lets trade away Jefferson and Milsap make room for Favors and Kanter to play. Now what happens if they dont pan out or one becomes really good and the other just mediocre what happens if they cant play together! now all of a sudden were a 20-30win team for the next decade. you dont clear your team out for rookies Kanter and Favors can prove their worthy of more time only playing 20min a game if they work hard in practice and learn the offense they will get time. lets not forget stuborn Jerry is gone
 
This is why the interview process is as important as a players' workout and the tape of his college games. Ya gotta get a feel for a guy's ability to absorb our playbook and how quickly he can apply it in a game. And whether he can play effectively as a backup and with reduced minutes in a rotation. Sloan always wanted to see it in practice before he'd put the guy in a game. The problem with that philosophy is many, many guys play with a totally different mindset in practice than during a real game. For example, I always thought Fes played better when he started games because of someone elses injury and the team clearly needed him to step up. When he came into games just to give a starter a short breather as part of a rotation, he often was really bad and looked generally unmotivated.
I'm not gonna get too hung up over a players exact minutes, but I will say these young guys ALL need SOME minutes in each game to really grow. Matchups should play very much into our player rotation and minutes from game to game, but hardly using a player at all in ANY game seems counter-productive to me. The coaches need to make that call on a game-by-game basis...
 
rocfan1 said:
Players earn playing time and it wont be any different for the Jazz you dont bench or trade away Jefferson or Milsap because you have prospects that need playing time.

So lets trade away Jefferson and Milsap make room for Favors and Kanter to play. Now what happens if they dont pan out or one becomes really good and the other just mediocre what happens if they cant play together! now all of a sudden were a 20-30win team for the next decade. you dont clear your team out for rookies Kanter and Favors can prove their worthy of more time only playing 20min a game if they work hard in practice and learn the offense they will get time. lets not forget stuborn Jerry is gone
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I am saying that the young guys need at least 20 min a game. I think that Kanter>Jefferson in two years. He has the same offensive game with an outside shot and his is in much better shape and his endurance is much better than Jeffersons.
 
A major factor favoring giving guys more gametime minutes is they need to actually face other teams' individual players and learn what their skills and tendencies are. All the practice in the world won't teach that if the Jazz don't have a clone of other teams' players already on their roster. Some guys take longer to learn this, but still do need to...
 
Twin Towers said:
Dwight Howard played: 32 minutes his rookie year
Kevin Garnett: 28 min per game
Kevin Durant: 34 minutes per game
Westbrook: 32 minutes per game

The list goes on and on. If they play over 25 minutes a night than I will be happy.
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Who else was at their same positions? And how well did those teams do? The Jazz cant afford to just say **** it and throw all rookies in and go 20-62. Agree, the young guys need time, but you don't just say throw better players ( at this time) on the bench and lose for the sake of developement.
 
One of the popular myths rises from the dust. For where we have drafted and the caliber of teams we have had, the rookies have had plenty of PT. In fact, Sloan played rookies a lot more minutes that he was given credit for.
 
Bemoaning coaching technique at this point is ridiculous.

Why don't you wait to see what Ty actually does before criticizing?
 
orangello said:
I am saying that the young guys need at least 20 min a game. I think that Kanter>Jefferson in two years. He has the same offensive game with an outside shot and his is in much better shape and his endurance is much better than Jeffersons.
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Kanter's never played more then 30+plus games against high schoolers and Jefferson played NBA basketball at a high level for 5-seasons straight. physically he looks better we'll see how his body holds up in the NBA
Kanter better then a 20 and 10 guy so your calling Kanter pretty much an all-star in 2yrs thats very optimistic i hope your right.

But I do agree 20min a game minimum for Kanter and Favors. does anyone think their might be a problem with them playing on the court together?
 
If Paul can slide to sf for 7 to 10 min per game, as I've been saying for months, then there should be pt for everybody this season. The season after, however..... Still, I'm a fan of losing al and giving Favors and Kanter more time. Al's trade should be for a wing and thus allow Paul to play 100% pf.
 
gomretat said:
One of the popular myths rises from the dust. For where we have drafted and the caliber of teams we have had, the rookies have had plenty of PT. In fact, Sloan played rookies a lot more minutes that he was given credit for.
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Read what I wrote. Never said Sloan didn't play rookies. I said Sloan doesn't play prospects. I even stated know the difference between the 2.

NBA ready players Sloan played. Not the players that needed experience.
 
So we have 96 minutes between the PF and Center position.

Jefferson: 35 minutes last year
Millsap: 34 minutes last year

That leaves 26 minutes between Kanter, Favors and Okur? Do you guys honestly think that is ok?

Lets say Millsap can play 10 minutes per game at the SF position like some people think he can (I personally don't think he can consistently do that each game).

That gives 36 minutes between 3 players.

So we are going to give 12 minutes each to Kanter, Favors and Okur............ Great idea! Lets just have them ride the bench. That will totally develop them.

Lets also just say Okur never comes back and his career really is over. so that will give Favors and Kanter 18 minutes a game each....... Really? Its a joke.

And if your a person who says we can lower Millsaps minutes. Well your just going to lower his trade value more than it is. We might as well trade him now while his trade value is high. His trade value won't be going up after next year.
 
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