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Summer 2019 Roster Discussion

LogGrad98 said:
So it's your opinion then. Fair enough.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thejno...-trade-rumors-favors-block-love-interest/amp/

Plenty of reputable sources quoted here saying the Jazz have him out there: https://hoopshype.com/storyline/derrick-favors-trade/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutch...ery-much-on-the-market-at-trade-deadline/amp/

The last two deadlines, he has been available. Not an opinion or every one of these team reporters are just lying.



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LogGrad98 said:
So it's your opinion then. Fair enough.
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Parts of it are... the part where he was a free agent and found nothing better than our deal for one year and $17M that also causes him to lose control over his free agency this season is a fact. The team option is worth a couple million imo... so hypothetically he found nothing better than 1 year 15-16M on the market. He will get 4 for 40-50M this summer or a one year 15Mish deal... if we don't pick up his option.

If there was a team that would have offered a first without giving up bad salary I think we could have parlayed that package into Mike Conley (or maybe Tobias Harris).
 
LoPo said:
I agree 100%.

Randle would do so well with our "catch the pass on the move" offense. He is a workhorse who is becoming a true triple threat player.

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I think he'd provide some spacing as a shooter, but if you stray from a guy like him he can attack closeouts or if you don't close he can get a running start on the drive and bury you.

The defense is likely the biggest issue, but he moves so well for a big guy... it could improve or maybe he can be more aggressive on the perimeter and allow Rudy to clean up his messes.

High TS% on a high usage and because his game is less reliant on shooting he is really consistent. He can handle and run some pick and roll which is obviously different than Favs.

I don't think Randle gets a max. His current situation isn't ideal. I think he's married, so not sure he's a big nightlife guy. I'm intrigued... I might put him at the top of the list after Harris and Middleton. I think Niko has a higher floor, but Randle is a little bigger swing with a potentially higher ceiling. Age also lines up with our other guys.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think he'd provide some spacing as a shooter, but if you stray from a guy like him he can attack closeouts or if you don't close he can get a running start on the drive and bury you.

The defense is likely the biggest issue, but he moves so well for a big guy... it could improve or maybe he can be more aggressive on the perimeter and allow Rudy to clean up his messes.

High TS% on a high usage and because his game is less reliant on shooting he is really consistent. He can handle and run some pick and roll which is obviously different than Favs.

I don't think Randle gets a max. His current situation isn't ideal. I think he's married, so not sure he's a big nightlife guy. I'm intrigued... I might put him at the top of the list after Harris and Middleton. I think Niko has a higher floor, but Randle is a little bigger swing with a potentially higher ceiling. Age also lines up with our other guys.
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Yep.

I would offer Randle the type deal Aaron Gordon got last summer. It was a 4 year $76 million declining deal. Year 1 is $21.6, but year 4 is less than $16.5.

$21+ seems like a lot, but the last two years of the deal would be an absolute value when we start looking at new deals for Rudy and Donovan.

19-20 $21.6
20-21 $19.9
21-22 $18.2
22-23 $16.5



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LoPo said:
Yep.

I would offer Randle the type deal Aaron Gordon got last summer. It was a 4 year $76 million declining deal. Year 1 is $21.6, but year 4 is less than $16.5.

$21+ seems like a lot, but the last two years of the deal would be an absolute value when we start looking at new deals for Rudy and Donovan.

19-20 $21.6
20-21 $19.9
21-22 $18.2
22-23 $16.5



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Not sure what his market will be... I could see him as an eye of the beholder type where some think he's worth 12-15M max and others think he's worth 27M.

If I had to guess right now 4/80-90 feels like it would get it done. No need to decline the offer... we could only get him with 5% per year declining anyway. It is a nice thought, but not necessary. If we got him at 21M to start you can offer 4/90 and you'd have 10M to add shooting at the wing or pg position. Danny Green, Wes Matthews, Reggie Bullock types are all likely in that range.

say the new starting lineup is
DM
Green
Ingles
Randle
Rudy

Guys like Exum, Royce, Jae, Korver off the bench maybe Allen or Bradley become something and our 2019 FRP... prolly need Udoh back at the minimum to backup Rudy... IDK that ain't bad.

You'd have the ability to make a decent trade using $25M of Exum Jae Korver (or Randle and whatever wing you sign). Or you can open up some space the following year with $19M in expirings and another small cap bump coming.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If we miss on Middleton, Harris, etc. I hope we pursue Julius Randle over guys like Niko.

Julius has gotten so much better and he's played for two teams not necessarily known for player development. Dude is a worker. He's shown progress with his jumper, but not sure he's ever anything other than a low volume 3 point shooter. The defense isn't great, but I think he can be passable next to Rudy. I like that he can create, is really efficient, and he's consistent. He's the rare guy that I think could be slightly undervalued in the FA market. I think he could really help us punish small ball, switch teams cuz he's such a handful in the paint.

If we replaced Ricky with a better shooter... even if it was more of a spot up shooter and not a creator... I think a lineup with Randle at the 4 could be super effective. I would guess he gets something in the neighborhood of 4/80M... in the same tier as Niko to me, but I think there is some upside there. If he worked with our group I think there is some real potential. I'm really intrigued even though he's kind of a throwback PF.
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His motor is elite

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Regarding the market on Favors, he didn’t even meet with any other teams last year. You could perhaps argue that we could have gotten value for him in trades but opted not to, but last year we offered him for Niko and Chicago said no. Now, obviously they had no need for him, but if he’s having any kind of value that we’re talking about here, Chicago didn’t think they could flip him and essentially turn Niko into two seconds + whatever Favors fetches (this is before Cousins ruptures his Achilles so whoever is hiding out there in the word work to say that Niko went for a first rounder can keep lurking in this thread and find another post to make a stupid drive-by comment about).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not sure what his market will be... I could see him as an eye of the beholder type where some think he's worth 12-15M max and others think he's worth 27M.

If I had to guess right now 4/80-90 feels like it would get it done. No need to decline the offer... we could only get him with 5% per year declining anyway. It is a nice thought, but not necessary. If we got him at 21M to start you can offer 4/90 and you'd have 10M to add shooting at the wing or pg position. Danny Green, Wes Matthews, Reggie Bullock types are all likely in that range.

say the new starting lineup is
DM
Green
Ingles
Randle
Rudy

Guys like Exum, Royce, Jae, Korver off the bench maybe Allen or Bradley become something and our 2019 FRP... prolly need Udoh back at the minimum to backup Rudy... IDK that ain't bad.

You'd have the ability to make a decent trade using $25M of Exum Jae Korver (or Randle and whatever wing you sign). Or you can open up some space the following year with $19M in expirings and another small cap bump coming.
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He is a very interesting case. He only got a full MLE deal last summer. I feel like NOLA or his home town Dallas will be willing to spend the most.

If we got him, I would try to lowball Rubio or go for a similar bench quality PG like Beverley, Bradley, Lin, etc. I have a lot of faith in O'Neale and some in Exum.

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LoPo said:
He is a very interesting case. He only got a full MLE deal last summer. I feel like NOLA or his home town Dallas will be willing to spend the most.

If we got him, I would try to lowball Rubio or go for a similar bench quality PG like Beverley, Bradley, Lin, etc. I have a lot of faith in O'Neale and some in Exum.

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We’d have to waive Rubio’s caphold... so he’s gone in this scenario.
 
I like Randle but I'm really iffy on the fit between him and Gobert. I know he's improved as a 3pt shooter but if the price tag for him is 20 mil a year and his 3pt shot stays around 35% I don't think that's going to make the Jazz certified contenders, and his FT% suggests that there isn't much improvement on that end to be made. I also have questions about how a Randle type player would work in a slower, more methodical offense that the Jazz have been know to run. But the upside is clearly there, and the idea of Randle just running wild on opposing benches in the Favors backup C role while also being able to fill the stretch 4 in the starting lineup is very tantalising.

I feel like you could get Bobby Portis on a much cheaper deal and he could do about 80 - 85% of what Randle does, but unfortunately he's a RFA so Washington probably match. Randle at like $15 mil a year is a much better sell.
 
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